PR70 or PR69 ?

I'll have to consult with my alien friends first. I hear spock is really an alien.

Ruben

 

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Again---nuts.
If you are dealing with a company that isn't on the up and up that may be true, but a good company will stand by what they say and guarantee it. I know when my product goes into the hands of my clients if it doesn't work, they get a new one.
The only time you hear about the TPG's standing by their product is when they get sued, but that is because that is the only time it gets printed. They stand by their product alot more.
I had a coin graded by PCGS that had problems and PCGS took care of the problem and there was no law suit issued.

And I think that is downright wrong. It all depends on the company. If you are dealing with bad companies who will do anything to get business then I will agree. But businesses who stand by their word, and believe in their product, will also stand by their written guarantee.

Speedy

 

Alien mafia!!!1

 

yeah the path to hell is paved with good intentions...

guarantee aint worth a thing without a good lawyer. Take the validated process instead and join the modern world.

Ruben

 

You actually have a novelle sense of the meaning of the word guarantee. When you come to my Pharmacy and you have a prescription for Ciprofloxin 500mg. I'm obligated to disppense it using open standards, which must be conformed with and the product must conform to standards, and proven to do so. Both the company that produces the tablets and myself at have to produce verifiable data to prove that our manufacturing aand dispensing process conforms with mandated error rates, and deviations and that our quality control is active and effective.

You are GUARENTEED that the drug is correct and i will not take back your drug if your not happy with it because that is also against the law. Part of the process is that all drugs go one way, from the manufactorer, to the wholesaler to the pharmacy, all registered and licensed.

PSCG - there is no guarantee. If they were held to guarantees they wouldn't have 70 grades. Its beyound their current precision. The whole world isn't two kids in a sandbox.

Ruben

 

Boy, could I have fun with that one. "mandated error rates" for dispensing drugs!!! "You are GUARENTEED that the drug is correct" I assume you mean assured except with your errors and then if we live you will give us a chance to get the right drug. Too bad you are no longer listening to me.

 

Doug is not selling his red hair and your allegory doesn't apply. They need to prove that they can distinguish a 69 from a 70 or they are defrauding the public. They haven't laid out any evidence to that affect.

It keeps going in circles. Show me the evidence.

Ruben

 

The guidelines have been listed in another thread and seemed simple enough to me. I don't think we're going around in circles. You're only paying for somebody to grade a coin, to the best of their opinion and slab it. That's all the service is intended for.

When an appraiser appraises a diamond ring for $8,437.00 and then somebody goes to sell it and can't get more than $6,000, can they go back and sue the appraiser?? They did PAY for that service.

 

Lol....
Hes sittin there like :whistle:lalalala:whistle: I cant read you....

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see. And, I cannot find it right now, but I think I am quoting him.

 

Just ignorance, which is in abundant supply. By USP standards, all drugs are considered accurate if within +- of 5% with some other details.

Modern manufacturing validates far more accurately than that and then you have an issue which none of the slabbers take into account, which is that the drugs have experiation dates which is when they statistically are no longer within +-5% of the stated does.

There is so much ignorance as to manufacturing and business processes, not to mention statistics and and analysis that it no longer surprises me that fools go out seeking PF70 coins for 50 times the 69 despite having no reasonable proof that there is a difference.

There is so much research in modern production management, you have no idea. Because if you don't understand it, it doesn't exist.

Ruben

 

No, they really haven't. What has been posted is frankly garbage for standard and would never make it out of the board room of a business serious about quality. And it isn't even what they use in the real world, as you can see by idiotic juxtapositions of messages that say you can't grade by photo's but then get annoyed when pointing out flaws in enlarged images because the proposed magnification is too high.

Does the nick on the rim so small that you can't see it with a x5 loop enough to kill a 70 or not? Who the heck knows. Must people seem to think it is.

Is a clear good strike good enough for a 70? Maybe not if the strike as a wave that you can see at a 70 degree angle. Or maybe so? Is it adressed? Is there a book listing the thousands of possible events? Who knows?

Its a non-validated process...
Its junk.

Ruben

 

I will ignore the rest of your comments just because it is not worth my time considering you will see nothing anyway, but if slabbers graded everything to ±5%, I would bet that even your chi rho analysis would show that there are many 70's out there. Even a 67 could be between 63 and 70.

Ruben, if you ever read what you are posting, you spend more time shooting yourself in the foot than you do convincing anyone else.

 

alas, not everyone is capable of learning how the world works around them. Fortunately enough of us do to make sure the rest are somewhat safe...

Ruben

 

Why thank you, Ruben!

 

alas, not everyone is capable of learning how the world works around them. Fortunately enough of us do to make sure the rest are somewhat safe...

Ruben

 

Rueben, stop and put the bong down.

If a man gives his word, his word is good. Untill it's broken. I have seen many " guarantees" hold up simply on the honor system. Many of us here do it.

Now, on the grading? I say 70 schmeventy, it's a crap shoot.

 

splitting the difference

In real business or industry a man's word for it isn't good enough. It has to be proven to meet standards in the design of the procedure. Then you don't care what he says. There is a standard validated process that is being adhered to.

Ruben

 

Is repeating a post supposed to cast a spell or something?

 

You are becomming your own signature line Ruben. In my world, if you give your word, you keep it. Or your evicted.

I married a lawyer. I think shes full of it too. Word is word. Keep it or lose your honor. Screw the courts.