To CAC or not to CAC - official game thread

Yes to a green bean.

 

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Nice looking SLQ. After the last fiasco I'm not sure if I want to keep playing this game. One thing that it's told me is that I probably won't waste my money trying to get a bean (other than those in a can that I can eat). Plus, bugs don't taste anything like a good steak.

OK, I'll give it another shot. The SLQ looks a solid 66 to me so I'll go green bean.

 

Let's face it. It is exceedingly difficult to grade anything with just a photo. Sure, strike and surfaces (partly) can be judged with a photo. Some surface issues you can't such as hairlines if the lighting isn't at the correct angle. Luster can show but not always (like maybe this SLQ). Color can show as well but, again, depending on the lighting angle used in the photo it can be hidden as well.

So I'll say it's a solid coin I'm just not sure it's a 66 (based on the photo). I'll say it did NOT Bean just based on what is given.

BTW, one of the ways to learn how to "decode" coin photos is take a lot of them yourself. It really does help educate you and possibly help save yourself from having to send back a coin to a dealer.

jom

 

A pretty nice specimen for the 1924-D.

I have no reputation to lose in this game, so here goes: I'm saying no to the bean for the following reasons. Even taking market grading into account, I think it is no better than a C-rated 66 or an A-rated 65.

The strike weakness on obverse (date, stars, head, shield, etc.) and reverse (eagle's breast, left wing) are typical of the 24-D and should not be reflected in the TPG's grade.

While the toning is not attractive to me, I don't know how JA views it.

Obverse:

- There are two diagonal lines crossing Liberty's wrist. Are they on the holder? Are they die cracks? Or, are they some sort of PMD? The 24-D is notorious for die cracks around the date but I've not read or heard about any at the wrist.
- Star next to MM, tops of date numerals, and toe all seem to show luster rub to me but I admit this could be due to the die crumbling in this area which is characteristic of the 24-D. What looks like luster rub in these areas could actually be lack of luster created during minting because the metal was not pushed into the die sufficiently to create the luster.
- Left thigh-diagonal scratches(?) on mid-thigh; gash above knee, smaller gash on knee.

Reverse:

- Looks pretty clean to me with the exception of what appear to be scuffs in the lower right field next to eagle's beak.

 

OK here are my (2) coins. I think the Texas Half Dollar might have a chance at a CAC and probably not the Oregon; although its a beautiful coin. I think these two coins are the most beautiful. I know tons of folks love the Oregon Half Dollar. But me originally being from Texas I just love my Texas Half Dollar. So please let me know if either of these coins are CAC quality. If not, not problem no worry. As always enjoy what remains of your day.

 

Wrong place to post this Jason. Please edit it.

 

Back to the topic coin. These images were taken by messydesk.

 

@Jason Hoffpauir you can post coins where the result is unknown, but each person needs to wait for the prior round to conclude before posting (only one post at a time to keep things simple and orderly). We can discuss your examples after the conclusion of the SLQ posted by @ldhair

 

Seems to be of little value. If all they do is confirm the TPG grade then you already knew that, and now you are a few dollars lighter to learn what you already knew. That is why I don't CAC coins.

 

1924-d 25c I say no to cac. The black area on obv makes it a C coin in my view / taste. A really cruddy looking obverse. Get rid of it, low end. A toner guy might buy it though.

Reminds me of the old Teletrade days when stuff sight unseen some of the dogs and cats one would get.

 

If you knew anything about coin images you would understand that those dark areas are color, not black. They were shot flat to the lens to show detail and luster. Thanks for your opinion.

 

Looks like a fantastic coin, Larry.

The only thing that has me concerned for the bean is the area in the reverse field in front of the Eagle's face. Is that a scratch? Die burn? Luster graze?

 

My apologies to all...I thought my pics were to be put in que...I will do my best to edit and hope you all can still take a look at the proper time.

 

I don't know what it is. Looks like a scratch with staining over it.

 

Lets move on. It got the bean.

 

@Jason Hoffpauir Your up.

 

Well not sure what I am suppose to say...if anything. But I wanted to know if either of these (2) coins warrant the coveted CAC emblem. I think maybe the Texas Half Dollar and probably not the Oregon Trail Half Dollar; although it is one of the most beautiful coin as is the Texas Half Dollars. These are my top two favorite Half Dollar Commemorative's of all time. Thanks for any input.

 

Summary

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

Rd. 34: 1941-S AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 11 (2 Green and 9 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 35: 1924 MS 66 CAC 25c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 11
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 8
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 4
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 7
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 1
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:1
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

I think the SLQ posted by @ldhair is an attractive coin and the bean was well deserved.

 

And now let's move on to the pair of coins that @Jason Hoffpauir posted.
We don't know the status of them, but let's see what we think.

Reposting photos: