Half Dime with lots of clash marks and a question.

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  1. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    This thing has many clash marks all over both sides. I'm wondering if the line going thru the date is a clash or a die crack. It may line up with the bottom of the letters in the word STATES. If anyone has an overlay, please post it. I thought it was a crack but now I'm not sure.
    The images are really large if you click on them.
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  3. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    Cool clash! I believe the answer to your question is that the line through the date is clash marks from ATES. You can see the space between TE inside the upper loop of the 8.
     
  4. Joe Campbell

    Joe Campbell Well-Known Member

    Agree it’s a clash. You can actually see the 8 and the 5 clashes over STATES on the reverse. Very cool.
     
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  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    That's the clashing of ATES Larry.

    Neat coin.
     
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  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

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  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

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    The issue with this overlay the series had 7 obverse styles,and 3 reverse its to busy to see what being asked.
     
  8. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Nice clash. I especially like the 'banners' surrounding the head.
     
  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    OK. but it is the only one I could find :confused:
     
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  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Larry your specimen is an 1854 MPD -002
    Misplaced date in denticles the top of the 8 below the 5. In ms 63 it's an $500 coin.
    Paddy
     
  11. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

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  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Larry here are my thoughts...
    Going on my references I can tell you for a fact that it is an 1854 arrow mpd 002
    In the condition I say unc. The value of the variety plus the clashes makes this coin value above the current value for the variety.
    That value to be determined by seller / buyer.
    Now here's where the rubber meets the road....I have no reference for that heavy clash variety.
    References give no Valentine # my attribution is an Valentine #2a
     
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  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Gets better the coin it is double dated from the clash once correctly the other backwards 4581 see image. 20200503_103031.jpg 20200503_102951.jpg
     
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  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    IMG_3132.JPG-1.jpg IMG_3133.JPG.jpg Also Larry you asked about the line the goes though the date....in Valentine it is refered to as a die crack. .....at which one point before this die got so heavily clashed it was believed to be a crack as it is pretty heavy clashed. Did not @C-B-D
    Just sell one simular?
    Found it and earlier die state of the V-2a mpd 002 pictured above, John said it sold for around $300. Nice find.
     
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  15. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Yeah I do wish there were other over lays for all the dies styles designs.
    That would make life much eaiser since these are so small to see.
     
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  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Thank you @Paddy54 Great information. I bought it from Bowers about 30 years ago because of the strong clash. That was my passion in those days. He called it a 62. I was at AU something. Early PCI, green label, gave it a 55.
     
  17. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    20200503_133709.jpg 20200503_133744.jpg 20200503_133823.jpg 20200503_133844.jpg
    Larry I have 2 more images to share I'm getting them ready to post so you can see the differences as well the varieties of this date.
    Here is the RPD -001 <1854> it to is clashed heavy showing several devices including the date.
    Notice date position as well arrows.
     
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  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Here the <1854> MPD -001 Date in rock as well clashed date on rev. 20200503_133316.jpg 20200503_133336.jpg 20200503_133800.jpg
    As you can see I shop and pick both date and variety.
    As to reply to the assessment of your coin an honest Au.-58. Value $425/475
    As a post scrip @C-B-D thanks for the use of your image.....educational purposes only.
     
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  19. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Super. Now thats a coin
     
  20. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    . That was fun to see
     
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