New Dollar Coin Design Proposal

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Peter T Davis, Mar 10, 2004.

  1. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Hammer at the Ready Moderator

    I just got this via the WINS list.


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    WASHINGTON - Sacagawea couldn't do it. What about George? Seeking to
    increase the popularity of dollar coins, the legislator behind the
    successful state quarters will propose a similar program on Tuesday
    featuring portraits of former U.S. presidents on the dollar coin.

    Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del., who originated the 50-state quarter program, along
    with Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., will propose starting the presidential
    dollars in 2006, featuring four presidents a year in the order in which they
    served.

    The coins could become popular collectors items, like the quarters, and
    might also encourage people to replace paper dollars with coins. Dollar
    coins would save the government as much as $500 million a year because they
    last longer than paper dollars, according to a 2002 report from the General
    Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress. But consumers have so
    far been unwilling to scrap their $1 bills, and efforts to cut paper dollars
    from circulation have been met by stiff resistance.

    The new dollar coins, which according to tradition will not include
    presidents who are alive, would replace the highly unsuccessful Sacagawea
    coins, which were introduced in January 2000, for the life of the nearly
    10-year program. The coin legislation must pass both chambers of Congress.
    The legislators are proposing the Statue of Liberty appear on the reverse
    side of the coins.

    "The dollar coin is clearly one that has not taken off the way it should,"
    Castle says. "We need to do something to really energize it and my sense is
    this will."

    Millions have been collecting the state quarters since the program's start
    in 1999. As of the halfway mark of the program, the U.S. Mint made about $4
    billion from the quarters. When people collect coins, they take them out of
    circulation. The Federal Reserve, which circulates the money, then has to
    buy more coins from the Mint. The Fed pays the full face value of the money,
    giving the
    Mint a profit.

    Castle hopes the presidential dollars would have a similar effect. The
    Sacagaweas, also known as "Golden Dollars" for the coins' color, have cost
    13 cents to 31 cents to produce, depending on volume.

    Mint director Henrietta Holsman Fore said her agency was ready to work with
    Congress. "It helps Americans to reconnect with their country," she said.

    Other details about the proposal:

    · The Mint would make commemorative, $10 "bullion" coins of the presidents'
    spouses.
    · Grover Cleveland will be on two coins because he served non-consecutive
    terms.
    · The dollar coins would retain the gold color and be the same size as the
    Sacagawea.

    The legislation comes as the government begins circulating nickels
    commemorating the Lewis and Clark expedition and the Louisiana Purchase.
     
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  3. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Well as this news concerns DE representatives, I have been included in some of these discussions. I have worked with our legislators to redesign our nations coins. We lost our battle over the five cent coin. (I know Jody loves this fact). The new bill will be heading to the floor of the house in the next few weeks. As dealers and collectors we need to keep an eye out for this bill, so that we may contact the representatives for our state and let our feelings be known.

    Let us keep our fingers crossed.
     
  4. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    ND,
    I don't love the fact that you lost any kind of battle.
    I hate to see anyone work hard, and then fail to suceed.
     
  5. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Jody, that is not what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. I meant that you love the fact Jefferson will remain on the five cent coin.
     
  6. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    I understand, my friend.
    By the way, what's the new avatar?
     
  7. kuhli

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    I think the new dollars would be a good way for the Mint to make some seignorage <sp>, but they only way they are going to actually get a circulating dollar coin is to have the BEP stopping making paper. Too many people, given the choice, will stick with paper. Take the choice away from them, and they will use coin.
     
  8. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    The new avatar is the $20 Gold Confederate States of America coin. It isn't easy getting it under the 8kg file limit.
     
  9. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    As far as getting rid of the paper dollar goes, this is an old story. The mint has been requesting this action for many years. Their logic is correct. Coins have an average circulation of 38 years, while paper notes circulate 18 months. Now the BEP claims that it can produce a handful of notes for the price of each coin. I believe the current price of a completed note is approximately 8 cents compared to the 19 cents it takes to make a dollar coin. Now each number will change depending on the amount of coins or notes produced. Most civilized countries have eliminated the dollar note. Why we hold out is anyones guess. It could be the same logic used in keeping America out of the metric system. Until the government quits giving the people the choice in the matter, we will always have a paper dollar.
     
  10. cmbdii

    cmbdii New Member

    Typical government brilliance. Those are the two strongest complaints about the failed Sack of shoo-shoo dollar, the "golden" finish which turns brown and the size.

    If Congress really wanted to save the money they're losing on printed currency, they should make the Federal Reserve pay all costs of printing the fiat paper and striking the clad and plated coins. The Fed creates new money out of thin air and loans it to Congress to spend and Congress pays printing and minting costs for the coins and currency.

    This is about as smart as anything else that comes out of Congress, though.
     
  11. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    I probably won't be interested in collecting any coins made from the "golden" manganese alloy.
     
  12. cmbdii

    cmbdii New Member

    They might make them from Nordic Gold alloy the Swedish government developed for their coins. The Poles used it for their 2 zloty coins in the 90's and they're nice looking coins.

    Maybe if they struck them in that NG alloy and made them the size of the Polish 2 zloty they would have a successful coin. Of course, they'd probably put some politician's head on the coin and ruin it, though.

    I think a good obverse would be a bust of a new Lady Liberty with a buffalo on the reverse. Afetr all, both Liberty and the bison have been eliminated in the wild and are both domesticated and raised inside fences nowadays. That would be good symbolism for a dollar which will buy what a silver 3 cent piece once bought.
     
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