The entire die face is not always removed. On rare occasions, a small part of the details may remain. I always wondered if those coin and die sets really did contain a defaced die that actually struck the coin that came with it in the set. About a year ago I bought (in an on-line auction) a New York (Denver Mint) state quarter coin & die set. I wanted one of those because I designed that coin for the US Mint. When I took a close look at the die, I noticed that the "N", a couple stars, and Liberty's torch were still visible:
This thread inspired me to track down and snag an Ohio die and quarter set. Just a neat conversation piece and only $45 shipped.
Interesting, I hadn't seen any of the ground down dies that still showed any of the design. In the 19th century there is also references to dies being destroyed by "fire and sledge" I'm not sure what this referred to but I would assume it might mean heating the dies until they were softened, and then smashing the die faces with a sledgehammer. I don't know if any of those dies have survived. And I do the believe the CC dies that were discovered were canceled with a X cut in the face with a chisel. (this could also be the "fire and sledge" cancellation. Heat and then use the sledge to drive the chisel into the die face.)
I could have sworn that a friend of mine had a state quarter die that wasn't defaced at all with a COA from the mint. Can't remember who though.
Original US coin dies that have not been defaced do exist, there just aren't every many of them, and they are usually quite old. In fact dies from many different countries that have not been defaced, and time periods, do exist. I once had the chance to buy an original obverse Morgan die at a coin show, the only blemishes on it were a couple of tiny rust spots. But the cost was $11,000, so no, I did not buy it. The point is they are out there, in collections. And much can be learned from examining and studying these dies. Including things that directly contradict what others accept as fact.
I recently found a 1959 dime face die , non-canceled with just light surface oxidation. Is this a good site to start investigation and pricing?
I suggest you start a new thread on the subject and post some pictures of what you have. There is no telling what you might find out.
I have a set of 1968-S quarter observe and reverse dies that I purchased from a vendor in the early 1970's. They were LONG missing, until recently. I have no idea what I paid, but they came with certificates that describe their origin.
I have a set of 1968-S quarter observe and reverse dies that I purchased from a vendor in the early 1970's. They were LONG missing, until recently. I have no idea what I paid, but they came with certificates that describe their origin. Does anyone have a clue about their worth today?
Now that is something I would have expected the Mint would do, besides putting a set of dies from each mint location in storage or a vault somewhere, maybe even a mint museum. The modern dies seem to just have a cancel pattern mark on them, like an X or whatnot.
Here's one similar that sold on eBay earlier this year: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-US-MI...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 I think yours likely has some added value to the right collector with the platforms they are on and the paperwork. Would probably fetch $70-$100 at auction.