Mixed Lot of Errors #19 - Comments?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by StevenHarden, Apr 28, 2020.

  1. StevenHarden

    StevenHarden Well-Known Member

    Hello All,

    Here is another small group of error coins I wanted to post on here to see if anyone has any comments on the type of error, rarity, value, whether it's worth it to be graded, etc. As always, any comments are greatly appreciated and any discussion is encouraged.

    NOTE #1: Error #82 is a U.S. 1982P Copper Small Date Lincoln Memorial Cent that appears to have the obverse either struck through something, a rolling indentation, possible PMD or some other error. Also note an additional are of interest at 6:00 on the obverse and 12:00 on the reverse. Again, I'm not sure if this is PMD or some type of error. Weight is ~3.1 grams.
    NOTE #2: Error #83 is a U.S. 1999P Jefferson Nickel that appears to broadstruck (note the reverse at 1:30). There is also an unusual appearance of reeding on the edge that seems to be a partial collar in some areas. Other areas on the edge also show tilted reeding. Lastly, the reeding appears to ride up over the edge on the obverse between ~1:00 to ~7:00 and on the reverse between ~8:00 to ~10:00. I don't quite understand the presence of reeding on a Jefferson nickel, but hopefully someone can provide some information on this piece. Weight is ~5.0 grams.

    Now to the coins.....
    ERROR #82
    Error82a.JPG
    Error82b.JPG
    Error82c.JPG
    Error82d.JPG
    Error82e.JPG
    ERROR #83
    Error83a.JPG
    Error83b.JPG
    Error83c.JPG
    Error83d.JPG
    Error83e.JPG

    THANK YOU.

    Tagging: @Seattlite86

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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    That would be a Large Date. Can you weigh it?

    The appearance of reeding is damage. It jammed somehow.
     
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  4. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Those angled thick 'reeds' are the result of the
    coin getting jammed in a counting or rolling
    machine, after it left the Mint.

    It's PMD on an error coin.
     
  5. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    As always, an interesting post. Thank you.
     
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  6. StevenHarden

    StevenHarden Well-Known Member

    @paddyman98
    @Fred Weinberg
    @Mountain Man

    Thank you all for your replies.

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    @paddyman98
    I still believe the 1982P cent shown has a Small Date. My original post showed the weight at ~3.1 grams which would indicate a copper issue. So, I would still say this is a 1982P Copper Small Date. Here are some images of the date of my example in more detail along with some other images that illustrate the differences between Small Date and Large Date:
    (My Example in More Detail)
    Error82f.jpg
    (Image from @Michael K posted in a separate thread)
    1982-varieties-revised.jpg
    (Image from usacoinbook.com)
    1982-large-date-vs-small-date-lincoln-cent.jpg

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    @Fred Weinberg
    Thank you for you information on the Jefferson nickel. I suppose the out-of-round nature of the coin is what resulted in it getting jammed in a machine later on. It's always a pleasure to read your posts on CT and I thank you for taking the time to reply to this thread. Feel free to visit any future threads I post on here or look back at any of my prior threads of error coins on here. Any comments/discussion is welcome and appreciated.

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    TO ALL:
    I am still curious whether the 1982 cent shown is a legitimate error or if it may also be an error with PMD, similar to the Jefferson nickel shown. The 1982 cent still resembles a struck through error, but the unusual effect on the rim as explained above is a bit questionable.

    Thank You.
     
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  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Yes. I see. Maybe a 2 with a hit. You're right.
     
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  8. StevenHarden

    StevenHarden Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure if others saw this above, but I'll repeat it again for more exposure:

    I am still curious whether the 1982 cent shown is a legitimate error or if it may also be an error with PMD, similar to the Jefferson nickel shown. The 1982 cent still resembles a struck through error, but the unusual effect on the rim as explained above is a bit questionable.
     
  9. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I'm honestly not sure about #82; it's hard to tell. The edge is most likely PMD. There shouldn't be "flow lines" like that if it were a clip or double strike. That makes me more skeptical about the large chunk missing on the obverse.
     
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  10. StevenHarden

    StevenHarden Well-Known Member

    I feel the same way in regards to #82. The edge at 6:00 on the obverse (12:00 on the reverse) doesn't seem to match any error I recall. The "flow lines" you referred to appear to be the result of a handheld metal cutting tool, but I'm not sure.

    As for the chunk missing on the obverse, there is an area on the reverse below the "N" and "E" in "ONE" that looks like the rim was squeezed (vise grips or something else possibly). There are also some unusual vertical tooling scratches on the rim between "WE" and "TRUST" on the obverse motto.

    With all of that said, I am like you and skeptical of the obverse error. The missing chunk seems to have a very uniform nature to it, with very clean-cut walls. On the other hand, when looking down into the "pit", the base resembles a fish scale pattern.
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    What gets me on the cent is that the hair design is visible within the missing area. It also has the texture of something that looks natural. What ever has happened to the rim I can't see as being "as struck"
     
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  12. StevenHarden

    StevenHarden Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the reply on this.

    So, might you think that the cent is similar to the conclusion made by @Fred Weinberg regarding the Jefferson nickel above (PMD on an error coin)?
     
  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Fred sees these type of coins on a daily basis. I feel that I am only guessing with out seeing the coin in hand. But I lean towards agreeing with your statement.
     
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