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Bean, IMHO.

 

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Green bean!

 

The cheek worries me a bit and so do the darker spots. Overall I still like it and think it deserves a YES for Green.

 

Very nice half dime. I call it the LM-5. Good for the bean.

 

I’m not sure it’s 100% original, but these are tiny and I bet it is lovely in hand. It looks to be quite strong for the grade and very attractive- I’ll go yes on the bean, definitely a coin I would buy without caring one bit if it didn’t pass.

 

I'll go with yes. Looks great for a 55.

 

Not sure what the mark on the cheek is, but I'll vote for green sticker.

 

I haven't been on here in a couple of days, so I'm late - but absolutely yes to the bean on the Buffalo.

And, I seem to be in the minority but that is a dipped and retoned Bust half dime. Might be attractive, but JA doesn't generally like the secondary toning. No bean on the half dime.

 

@jom What’s the verdict?

 

Paging @jom

 

Maybe issue an all points bulletin.

 

Sorry....been busy. My bad.

I sent the coin into CAC in July of 2015 and it FAILED. My notes say JA told me the reverse was "buffed". And although you'd think the problem was the obverse that wasn't the case. I was just like most of you....it was a no-brainer Green Bean. I guess not...live and learn.

Edit: Note that Physics-Fan is spot on in that CAC (ie JA) does not care for secondary toning...which happens A LOT with 19th Century material (busts, seated etc). This submission was still during the time it took me to figure out CAC and their standards.

I should also note the JA did tell me he often finds these coins attractive but not something they want to sticker. It's a bit hard to describe the discussions we've had but he says there's nothing wrong with collecting non-CAC material and he seems a bit disappointed that sometimes non-CAC material gets a bad rap at times. At least that's the impression I got from him the few times we've talked. Nice guy...BTW.

Also, it should be noted that in general 20th Century material is viewed a bit differently. Often these don't get beans due to overgrading. Whereas Bust material often fails due to other problems. So if you see a non-CAC 1829 half dime that is in a circulated grade it's a pretty good bet the coin might very well be in the correct grade but failed due to other issues. Most 20th Century circulated issues aren't valued enough for submission so you don't see this kind of thing very much.

jom

 

I would have thought 1829 5c, nice coin go green, Interesting - can’t say I share his taste.

 

Buffed? Really? Can you see hairlines in hand? Because I don't see it in these pictures.

 

I'll have to create a brown "baked" bean to put on nice coins that CAC won't sticker.

 

Well, PCGS didn't see it either but that's what my notes on this tell me (notes taken while on phone with JA). At the time I just assumed that it was something I just missed or too subtle for me to catch. <insert "shrugs" emoji here>

Note: I edited my response above a bit.

jom

 

I've not heard the term "buffed" used as any kind of generally-accepted term for cleaning. If it was whizzed, you'd think that would be the term used. I blew the reverse up quite a bit and I see a few parallel lines in the field between the wing and NIT, but I would not call the coin harshly or improperly cleaned from that tiny bit of evidence. Maybe if the apparent brightness of the eagle and some other reverse devices aren't a function of the lighting glare, JA thought a very light buffing wheel had been taken to it.

 

"Buffed" is not generally used by the TPGs, but you get the idea of what it could mean. Whizzing involves a rapidly rotating wire brush - buffing could be done with a wheel but could also be done with polishing cloth. Usually, a buffed coin will receive the details grade "burnished" or "polished," but it might also just get "altered surfaces." Burnished coins usually intend to make very smooth surfaces.

I think what JA probably intended with the "buffed" comment was "wiped" or "brushed," which are commonly used terms. This coin certainly wasn't polished or harshly cleaned - but whoever did the dip may have brushed or wiped something on the reverse.

 

Summary

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 10
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 7
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 3
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 6
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 1
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:1
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

*
Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

@Juno (if you're ready) or anyone else that is ready can post the next coin.