Reverse inscription off the flan -- need help

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Which is the most likely reverse inscription?

  1. SAC MON VRB AVGG ET CAESS NN

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  2. SACRA MON VRB AVGG ET CAESS NN

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I hope that some of you who are more experienced with coins of the tetrarchy can help me out on this one. I'm pretty sure that there's too much space for this to read SAC M VRB AVGG ET CAESS NN. However, I'm not able to tell whether it might read SAC MON VRB AVGG ET CAESS NN or SACRA MON VRB AVGG ET CAESS NN. Thoughts?

    Feel free to post anything similar/relevant! Thanks!

    Diocletian SAC MON VRB AVGG ET CAESS NN follis Rome.jpg
    Diocletian, AD 284-305.
    Roman billon follis, 10.80 g, 23.6 mm, 7 h.
    Rome, AD 302-305.
    Obv: IMP C DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, Laureate head, right.
    Rev: SA[...]B AVGG ET CAESS NN, Moneta standing left, holding scales and cornucopiae; star in right field, R P in exergue.
     
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  3. Alwin

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  4. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    For a web page on the type, see here:
    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarchy/SACRAMONETA.html
    The link to the varieties from Rome has similar examples for Maximian and Constantius.

    Here is the Maximian:
    Maximian1SACMONmmRS00161.jpg

    Maximian
    29 mm. 12.13 grams.
    IMP C MAXIMIANVS PF AVG

    SAC MON VRB AVGG ET CAESS NN
    *
    RS in exergue
    RIC Rome 105b "c. 302-3"
     
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  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...wow...i wish i were educated enough to help you RC...luckily, Warren is here :D
     
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  6. tenbobbit

    tenbobbit Well-Known Member

    Not scientific but, the B of VRB is at 12 o'clock and you can see the first 5 letters of the legend SACRA.
    This leaves a big space for just 5 more letters so it has to be SACRA MON VRB.
    Hope this makes sense.
     
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  7. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    That's a tough one with so much of the inscription missing o_O. Pictured below is another example from the Rome mint from a coin of Severus II. The reverse inscription on this coin matches the example posted by Valentinian, & your coin is probably the same.

    NGC 4094373-005.jpg
    NGC 4094373-005 rev..jpg
     
  8. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Tough call @Roman Collector - to illustrate here are two frankencoins with the different legends:
    upload_2020-4-26_10-49-20.png
    I lean toward SACRA as I see an A at 9 o'clock vs. an O, but both are possible.
     
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  9. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Not to beat a dead horse, but I think this comparison is worth a close look. I spotted this follis on a quick Google search, it's from Beast Coins. It is a follis of Diocletian with the same mint mark & officina mark as R.C.'s coin. The only difference is the crescent between the marks & the missing star.

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    Beast Coins.jpg
     
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  10. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    VI Roma 109a Diocletianus Moneta 12 nr 132.jpg As you see the shorter variant is spaced out on the left and the text is compressed at the right. For the coin in question it is clearly the SACRA variant. VI Roma 109a Diocletianus Moneta 12 nr 132.jpg
     
  11. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    and to add more beatings to the poor horse ;) room for ambiguity in my view, depending on where you see letters on the left edge - here's how I see (imagine?) the layout.
    upload_2020-4-26_15-57-5.png
     
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