Mixed Lot of Errors #17 - Comments?

Hello All,

Here is another small group of error coins I wanted to post on here to see if anyone has any comments on the type of error, rarity, value, whether it's worth it to be graded, etc. As always, any comments are greatly appreciated and any discussion is encouraged.

NOTE #1: Error #76 is a U.S. 1955D Wheat Cent that appears to have some type of a double rim visible on the obverse between 9:00-1:00. Weight is ~3.1 grams.
NOTE #2: Error #77 is a U.S. Wheat Cent (no date) that appears to be an off-center chainstrike. Weight is ~3.1 grams.
NOTE #3: Error #78 is a U.S. Memorial Type Cent (no date) that appears have been struck off center, but only the reverse of the off-center strike is visible. I'm not sure if the roughness seen on one side of the coin is PMD or some type of error. Something has resulted in the weight of this piece to be considerably off-weight. Weight is ~1.6 grams.

Now to the coins.....
ERROR #76





ERROR #77


ERROR #78




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#76 - Some crazy Misaligned Die Strike on the Obverse.

#77 - Off-Center Chain Strike (Memorial not Wheat Cent)

#78 -Chain Strike strike with a Split Planchet. One side is uniface. The other Cent (which you don't have) would have an indent in it.

 

#77 has the potential to be a chain strike. And is a Memorial Cent.

 

Right

 

I like #78. It has the split planchet.

 

@paddyman98
@alurid
@happy_collector

Thank you all for your replies.

First of all, thank you for the catch on #77. It definitely is a Memorial cent and not a Wheat. I’m not sure how to edit that now that it has been posted for a while.

@paddyman98
On #76, I agree that it is an obverse misaligned die.
On #77, I agree that that it is an off-center chain strike MEMORIAL cent.
On #78, it appears to me to be an off-center strike on a split planchet where one side of the off-center strike is missing, which would produce the indent you were referring to on another coin. How do you think this is also a chain strike?

 

I have been thinking about Coin #76. It sure looks like something more that just a MAD, It looks like collar damage that deformed the edge. Do you have diameter measurement for this coin, and is it the same all the way around? Can you post photos like the last three of #76 but with the reverse side up?

 

I would also like to know more info about #76. This is a crazy one! There does appear to be damage from something, likely the collar, on the obverse.

I also really like #78 due to multiple errors.

 

@alurid
@Seattlite86

Thank you for your replies.

Here are some more details on #76:
The diameter is not the same all the way around. It varies from 18.8mm to 19.8mm (the 'Red Book' shows an issue diameter of 19mm). When viewing from the reverse, you can't really tell much when looking at the rim itself, but there does appear to be some type of "stretching of the rim between 5:00 and 9:00. Also, notice what almost looks like a stress crack between the bases of the wheat strands below " OF AMERICA".

Here are some additional photos of #76 that will hopefully highlight the area of interest. If there are any other questions or photos that might help identify this error, please let me know.









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This one looks to be a damaged collar strike . The collar probably was stretched out too far in this area or maybe even broken . See how round the coins rim is in this area , It is like there was no collar at all for a short distance. Also the collar or dies could have been tilted. It looks like the die also has had some damage . This one really has a lot going on.

 

Thanks for the awesome photos.
For this coin to have collar damage on the obverse would mean the reverse was the hammer die. Which is not impossible from what I know.
I am thinking it is a type of Collar Deployment Error. Like being struck on a tilted/ stiff or partial collar. It fits the description quite well, and no photo is shown for comparison. I like the "Strong Collar Scar with Cupping" But there is not a description under this title.
http://www.error-ref.com/stiff-collar-strike/

My only other conclusion for this coin is PMD from a misfit or misstrike in a Lucky Coin Holder. Which was one of my first thoughts from seeing this coin. Mostly from the damage being on the obverse face, but there is no scaring on the opposite side for this to be a viable answer.

 

Thank you for your reply. I hope the photos were able to provide enough details in the areas of interest. Your suggestion of a stiff collar/collar deployment error is interesting, but I am just not familiar enough with those types of errors to make a good judgment. If @mikediamond is available to look at #76(both the initial and secondary group of photos), he may be able to provide some input.

If anyone else has any suggestions or needs any more information to help identify this error type, please let me know.

 

76, may be PSD I'm not sure.
77 off-center strike, possibly chainstrike, possibly on clipped planchet in that area
78 off-center uniface strike on a split planchet.

 

Thank you for your reply and welcome to the thread.

On #76, I am cautiously optimistic that it is not PMD. Nothing on the example makes me believe it has been damaged after minting. As @alurid stated above, the suggestion of a collar deployment error may be going the right direction. It would make sense to me that an issue with the collar would be a likely cause of a nonuniform diameter. It could also be that this is a combination of errors, such as a misaligned die along with a collar deployment error. I am no expert in these types of errors, but do hope that someone familiar with this would be able to chime in.

On #77, I believe it is an off-center chainstrike, but not on a clipped planchet based on the appearance and weight of ~3.1 grams.

On #78, I agree with calling it an off-center uniface strike on a split planchet.

 

The 1955-D cent was altered outside the Mint. It was clearly struck in-collar and yet is out-of-round. The effect on the obverse cannot be the result of anything that happened in the striking chamber.

 

I like your thinking "outside the box" on this one. I'd never thought of that but it seems like a reasonable possibility.

 

I'm having a problem trying to figure out how this coin could have been altered outside the mint without even a scratch on the reverse side. It even appears from the photo to still have the mint luster on it. And no this coin is not mine but I wish it was mine even if it is determined in the end to be altered. Would it have been impossible for the die and the collar to clash really hard together and severely damage both pieces?

 

@mikediamond
@Mountain Man
@rascal

Thank you all for your replies.

#76 has received several different ideas throughout this thread. If it was altered outside of the Mint I wonder what method would be used to create this result, and for what purpose.

As for #77 and #78, I believe we have all came to a comprehensive evaluation.

As always, I appreciate all of the comments and replies on here. I will be posting a new thread with another lot of errors soon. I welcome everyone to view/reply to that thread. If anyone has any other comments regarding this thread, feel free to reply.

Thank You.

 

You'll notice that the surface of the coin (#76) is warped below OF AMERICA. This is another clear sign of alteration.

 

Hi Mike ! I can't tell for sure from the images if the coin has a warp or not. If it is warped in this area , I may be wrong but wouldn't it be possible for the edge of the coin to get warped a little because it looks like the edge of it may have been pushed out past the edge of the reverse die.