incuse mirrored?

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  1. tammiGee

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  4. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Impossible. Someone flipped the image in Photoshop.
     
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  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Mirror Brockage.. It's possible.

    @tammiGee can you show the entire slab?
    You got this image from the web correct?

    It's still not what you have on your Cent. Your Cent is not a Mirror Brockage.
     
  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

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  7. tammiGee

    tammiGee Active Member

    The image is copyrighted. you can look it up yourself if needed.
    This is how new concepts can take 6 months or more to discover the facts in their entirety .PMD, vise-job and impossible may not always the correct canned answers to use.
    A true scholar and teacher should always be open to the idea of why it can...not always why it can't .
    Not only should a man keep his word to others, but keep his word to himself. ~Never, never, never give up. ~ Winston Churchill
    “Respect for ourselves guides our morals; respect for others guides our manners”
    ― Laurence Sterne
    see: "Partial Mirror Brockage on Obverse"
    (above quoted Numismatic Terminology courtesy Mr. Fred Weinberg 12/19/2018)

    or see https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/194...k-40-off-center-ms62-brown-pcgs/a/1191-4943.s









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  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I thought that would happen that's why I provided the link.

    Tammi.. Are you saying that I am wrong?
    Then prove it to me.. Please send your Cent to NGC or PCGS and have them attribute your Cent as a Mirror Brockage or any kind of Brockage.. This would be the only way to resolve this issue. All others have told you that is Post Mint Damage. I agree.
     
  9. tammiGee

    tammiGee Active Member

    I'm sorry for that lengthy delay in responding to your questions, As I indicated the finding of fact takes time....
     
  10. tammiGee

    tammiGee Active Member

    It is already in route to NGC....and after all I believe I was told earlier on this forum it is not up to me to prove I'm right, it is up to you to prove I'm wrong. I would direct this to all members that participated in my initial post on Sunday , but the thread and the directory of members' replies appear to be gone @JCro57 @Dougmeister
     
  11. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Thanks, @paddyman98 . I shouldn't have spoken so definitively... you learn something new every day I guess ;-)

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  12. bsting

    bsting Never enough coins.lol

    I wouldn’t say this forum isn’t for proving people wrong. It’s about giving an educated opinion and the OP can take it for what it’s worth to them.

    I look forward to the NGC results.

    Can you post another pic of your coin on this thread. I don’t recall seeing the other.

    Thanks.
     
  13. coin roll

    coin roll Active Member

    What's a good link to explain how a mirror strike happens? I'm having a hard time getting my hear around it.
     
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  14. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    That 1874 Gold Dollar Full Brockage is real.

    It was my coin, until I sold it about 10 years
    ago. It's the only full blockage US gold coin
    I'm aware of.

    This piece was the second in the process --

    A normal coin was struck, and instead of being
    ejected as normal, it stuck to the upper (hammer)
    Die. The next gold planchet was fed into the
    collar, and the dies came down together.

    However, the obverse die had the first coin on
    it, and when it came down to strike the 2nd coin,
    the reverse of the 1st coin became the 'die face',
    impressing the design into the 2nd planchet.

    Therefore, the 2nd planchet received a normal
    reverse strike, and the brockage/reverse image
    of the reverse from the 1st coin.

    Not necessarily a rare event, but certainly rare
    on higher denominations (halves, dollars), and
    exceeding rare on gold coins.
     
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  15. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I am assuming you're referencing a coin in your "Raised" post.

    It's obvious that you didn't take the time to research how a brockage error occurs. If you would have done so, you would have easily seen that a partial brockage leaves a sunken impression and obliterates most/all of the detail on the area mirrored area.

    I'm sorry, but the content of your posts have not demonstrated that you have the background or knowledge to have be afforded the luxury of requiring the rest of the membership prove you wrong.
    You haven't come close to providing any credible information that even remotely suggests that your coin in the previous post is a new and different type of error. Until you can come up with a plausible theory explaining how this can occur don't go tossing out quotes about keeping an open mind. You're not getting "canned answers". You're getting responses from people that are knowledgable of the die making and minting processes that see very clearly that your coin doesn't have raised mirrored letters and isn't a brockage.

    If you actually sent your coin to NGC (and not just posturing) then you've just thrown away $50 +/- Congratulations
     
  16. coin roll

    coin roll Active Member

    Never mind. The light just came on.
     
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  17. tammiGee

    tammiGee Active Member

    That gold I showed as an example used to belong to Mr. Wientberg and here's how he explained the event

    That 1874 Gold Dollar Full Brockage is real.

    It was my coin, until I sold it about 10 years
    ago. It's the only full blockage US gold coin
    I'm aware of.

    This piece was the second in the process --

    A normal coin was struck, and instead of being
    ejected as normal, it stuck to the upper (hammer)
    Die. The next gold planchet was fed into the
    collar, and the dies came down together.

    However, the obverse die had the first coin on
    it, and when it came down to strike the 2nd coin,
    the reverse of the 1st coin became the 'die face',
    impressing the design into the 2nd planchet.

    Therefore, the 2nd planchet received a normal
    reverse strike, and the brockage/reverse image
    of the reverse from the 1st coin.

    Not necessarily a rare event, but certainly rare
    on higher denominations (halves, dollars), and
    exceeding rare on gold coins.
     
  18. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    This couldn’t be any more wrong in the field of intellectual discussion and debate. If you are going to make a claim, you need to support it with facts. You have to explain how you came to that conclusion. Here’s the danger of demanding others prove you wrong: if I tell you George Washington said “I have never met a woman who would not do whatever I told her” and then demanded you prove he didn’t say it, you might never be able to do so. The fact that you cannot prove Washington didn’t say it does not suddenly make it truth. Demanding others prove you false is a logical fallacy in itself. Please do not take such a narrow approach to intellectual discussion.
     
  19. Goldsayshi463

    Goldsayshi463 the person who says "hi" all the time

    If you want to see a real penny mirror brockage found then go to robfindstreasure at YouTube to see it
     
  20. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Hi tammiGee ! For as long as I have been on CT this post of yours makes more common sense than any other post I have ever seen on here. Some members on here are way to quick to yell " It can't be real" Just like a lot of them did me on two of my coins that I know are real mint errors because I have collected error coins for right at 50 years , I was collecting errors and other coins before a lot of CT members were born. Just because something looks impossible to be from the mint does not mean it has to be PMD. One of my coins I put on here was a struck thru partial die cap and it does look unusual until one understands how it happened.
     
  21. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

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    @rascal Did you take the time to read some of tammi gee's other posts? Once you do, it's ok to retract your comment regard their post having the most common sense you've seen in CT
     
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