To CAC or not to CAC - official game thread

To sound like a parrot, the nick on the chin keeps it from 65 but overall a solid 64. So yes for the green bean.

 

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When it comes to grading, I'm very conservative. IMO the coin is not at the high end of the given grade. I'll vote No Bean.

 

No CAC 1908 cent / spot above date, no go for me.

 

Solid green bean in the IHC

 

Not a series I'm familiar with, but I'll guess the cent got a green sticker.

 

For what it’s worth, CAC doesn’t disqualify for carbon spots. I’ve disqualified myself from buying several CAC coins once I put a loupe to them myself for that reason though for being more distracting than in this example but we all have our preferences.

 

Don’t make too much of shaving cut. Greenie.

 

dddd. I would like to post a few coins that I personally brought to CAC for beaning and for which I received explanations from the Grand Wizard. LMK when to start. Thanks.

 

The tick on the jaw should not disqualify an ms64 grade, the coin appears original, and the luster peeking through contributes to eye appeal for a brown coin. I vote green.

 

I guess most everyone that's going to opine has done so. Here's the reveal: The 1908-S IHC PCGS MS-64BN did get a green bean. I think it's accurately graded at 64 and my judgement is that it's a B coin for the grade. So in that sense, this coin seems to obey the published concepts for what CAC does.

BTW, does anyone think that CAC has a preference, however subtle, for PCGS as opposed to NGC? I wonder what the statistics for CAC would say about this? The John Reich Society has published some studies on coins CAC'd versus not-CAC'd but I don't think the published data sets answer this question directly, if at all.

 

I've always wondered about a PCGS bias. It seems that more PCGS slabs have beans than NGC ones.

 

I just checked the new coins page of a well-known dealer. There are 39 coins with green stickers: 25 from PCGS and 14 from NGC. I readily concede that proves zilch.

 

IMO I don't think they're biased, just inconsistent.

 

I think it’s cause so many a coins have been cracked out or crossed for registry purchases. I’ve actually had the most gold beans in old ngc holders

 

Summary

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 9
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 7
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 3
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 5
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 1
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:1
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

@Publius2 I haven't see any evidence of a PCGS bias in terms of getting a sticker. The reason for seeing more PCGS coins with CAC in dealer inventory is that a lot of people have been convinced to only buy PCGS. So dealers/collectors are likely to crack/cross the best of the NGC coins and send them to PCGS.

 

@Juno you are up...

 

I’m new to posting on CT and can use a little help. I use an ipad. All my coin photographs are on the ipad in an app called APViewer. I can’t figure out how to access the photos in the app. If I ask my teenager son, he will laugh in my face. I would welcome guidance.

 

Use the actual camera on it and avoid any apps and it will go into the photos section. The iPhone and iPad photos can actually be very very good very easily.

 

@CircCam can fill in while we wait for @Juno