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I don't think that the obverse has enough luster to get a bean for the AU-58 grade. The reverse does, but that is not unusual for this design. I agree with @longshot that it barely makes the AU-58 grade.

 

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I’m reading the images a bit differently on that one- what seems at first to be luster breaks in the obverse fields looks like the outline/threshold of the crusty toning. I don’t know how to describe this look but the slightly “dusty” original appearance of the surfaces is a look I’ve observed that CAC likes. It’s also one that is hard to showcase the luster you see in hand in images as it is there but the skin veils it... this coin has surfaces like what I’m describing as well and was graded AU58 CAC.



I’ve heard it said that CAC loves luster but in my experience when it comes to CAC approval strict originality trumps blazing luster for the grade.

 

Not my wheel house, but a study of photograde indicates to me this is a 58. Take that for what it’s worth. No sticker.

 

I'll say YES to Green
Looks original and solid for a 58.

 

Summary

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 8
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 6
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 3
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 5
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 1
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:1
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

*I just updated all the revealed coins*
Please continue to opine on the 1835 dime posted on the prior page by @ldhair

@Publius2 will be up afterwards
(and then I think it is open-please let me know if I missed someone getting in line)

 

No bean on the dime.

jom

 

That dime is stunning to me. Bean or no bean...if it is a 58 marks on the chin or not don't matter, only wear and luster matter. It has great eye appeal.

Don't mind me just the fireball talking tonight...

 

No bean on the dime. There are too many marks on the chin, and a scratch on the reverse near the wing. I think the surfaces have a lot of marks, even if the wear is correct for a 58.

 

Here it is.

 

I agree with you about the marks. Thought you would remember the coin. You looked at it twice at Fun We were both busy look at the great food in front of us. Looks a bit different under the better lighting that was used to image it.
I said no to the coin the first time I looked at it. A day or so later, after a few drinks in the bar, I fell in love with it. I'm happy to own the coin. Fits well in my Bust collection.

 

Haha, now that you mention it I do remember that coin. I didn't have a loupe, and it was dark, so I didn't notice the marks at the time.

 

That's the problem with drinking a few too many at the bar. You may regret things in the morning.

 

Larry, I remember you showing me that coin at FUN and I recall being wowed by it.

 

OK, I'm up:

Here's a 1908-S IHC, PCGS MS-64BN. I have included two sets of photos of the same coin. The first set (with the white background) are from the very well-known coin dealer I bought it from. The second set (with the black background) are my photos. So, you get two slightly different looks at the same coin. CAC or No-CAC?

 

Yep. Completely original and solid for the grade.

 

Here's the issue: Does the nick on the jaw cause an issue with grade? ie does it keep it from MS64 or not? I don't know. So I'll guess a YES to a green bean.

jom

 

Summary

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 8
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 7
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 3
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 5
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 1
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:1
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

Without the hit, It may have made 65. I'll say yes to the green.

 

*Back to the Indian Head*

I think it is a YES on a Green...again original look and at least a B for the grade.

@jom the nick might be less noticeable in hand; it could dissuade me from liking the coin (or purchasing it) but won't necessarily matter for the sticker