You Make the Call: Real Error or Altered Coin?

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  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    You are going to need a sharp eye for this one. Back up your answers, please.

    1964 D 1c shifting die cap obv.jpg 1964 D 1c shifted cap die rev.JPG
     
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  3. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    The understrikes were off-center on the obverse with no effect on the reverse nor the shape of the planchet. If it was genuine, then that would have meant that the obverse die had deflected 25° or so and then rotated 45° and then snapped back into place in between strikes. There are multiple dates visible, so the die would have to had to have been very wobbly.

    This seems highly improbable, and the understrikes look very unnatural. I say altered. Probably some glue was on the obverse and has broken away and rotated. At least the date area looks like glue
     
  4. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I can definitively say there is no adhesive on this coin, if that helps any...
     
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  5. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I have another theory, but first, what’s the weight?
     
  6. Timewarp

    Timewarp Intrepid Traveler

    I say: Altered. Too much going on in the date area, and hardly anything else on the rest of the obverse. Plus the reverse is normal.
     
  7. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    As typecoin mentioned, there's way too much going on with the obverse and absolutely nothing on the reverse. I say this one is faked.
     
  8. Dima

    Dima Member

    Curious thing to note: the second T of TRUST seems very weakly struck
     
  9. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    3.09 grams
     
  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm thinking altered. Done with a fake/false die. Forgot the correct term.
     
  11. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    I think altered coin. The reverse doesn’t show any signs of a second strike and the obverse off center strike didn’t effect the rim. Probably a genuine coin overstruck with a counterfeit die.
     
  12. David Betts

    David Betts Elle Mae Clampett cruising with Dad

    I'd have to agree with all the above no reverse anything must be PM? Cool looking though. Maybe Paddyman and the NYC fab four can clarify?
     
  13. jgrinz

    jgrinz Senior Member

    Fake - Looks like genuine first strike and then one or more fake second strikes delivered by a counterfeit obverse die.
     
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  14. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Answer given at 5 pm eastern time...
     
  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That goes against my potential theory that a struck planchet fragment was struck into the coin.

    However, looking at the shadows, the “understrike” appears to be struck into the coin. Since it isn’t reversed, it isn’t a vise job. This would also explain why there are no anomalies on the reverse.

    I’m not entirely sure of the mechanism that caused the secondary images to appear as they did.
     
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  16. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    I know what it is, but will not spoil your contest.
     
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  17. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Do you know it because you saw it somewhere else, or you just know errors really well?
     
  18. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    Hi Joe. Tom D. here.
     
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  19. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    CaptHenway is Tom Delorey. There are few people alive who know more about coins.
     
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  20. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    @physics-fan3.14 i believe you asked me to run this series of posts yet i havent seen you comment on them
     
  21. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I don't think I've posted on all of them, but I have commented on several. I was post #6 on this thread, for example. I'm learning a lot, either way.
     
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