Galerius Caesar from London

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  1. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Galerius.png
    LMCC 3.01.031
    MAXIMIANVS NOBIL C
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI
    27mm, 10.72g, 303-305 AD
    London, -/-//-

    I've been collecting London coins since around the start of the year, but this is my first early and unreduced nummus, and I must say I'm rather taken with it. It's a big and chunky coin, and it is quite remarkable to compare it to the issues of 319 AD onward.

    This acquisition definitely makes me want to prioritise an unreduced nummus for each of the first tetrarchy.

    Share your coins of Galerius, or your full fat nummi.
     
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  3. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Nice one. Here's mine, but from Lugdunum with a scarce PL mintmark.

    Galerius Ae Follis
    Lugdunum 26mm 10.54g
    From F.Robinson sale 07/2019
    RIC VI 53b(a)
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  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My Galerius Caesar duo from Siscia and Alexandria both date to the period when the folles bore the XXI alloy mark.
    9.5g
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    7.7g (not exactly fat) ru3980bb1506.jpg
     
  5. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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    GALERIUS
    AE Follis
    OBVERSE: IMP C GAL VAL MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, laureate head right
    REVERSE: GENIO AVGVSTI CMH, Genius standing left, modius on head, chlamys over shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae, SMNA in ex
    Struck at Nicomedia 308-311 AD
    7.6g, 26mm
    RIC VI 54a, A
    Galerius 1.jpg
    GALERIUS
    AE Follis
    OBVERSE: MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES, laureate head right
    REVERSE: SACRA MONET AVGG ET CAESS NOSTR, Moneta standing left, scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left, ST. in ex.
    Struck at Ticinum 300-3 AD
    8.5g, 25mm
    RIC 46b
    Galerius 3.jpg
    GALERIUS
    AE Follis
    OBVERSE: MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES, laureate head right
    REVERSE: SACRA MONET AVGG ET CAESS NOSTR, Moneta standing left, scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left, TT. in ex.
    Struck at Ticinum 300-3 AD
    12.3g, 27mm
    RIC 46b
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    GALERIUS
    AE Follis
    OBVERSE: IMP C GAL VAL MAXIMIANVS PF AVG, laureate head right
    REVERSE: GENIO IMPERATORIS, Genius standing left pouring liquid from patera and holding cornucopiae, dot HTG dot in ex.
    Struck at Heraclea 308-309 AD
    6.4g, 27mm
    Heraclea
    RIC VI 41, Γ
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice one, @thejewk !

    GALERIUS
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    RI Galerius 293-308 AE 30mm 12g Folles Ticinum mint Moneta
     
  8. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

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    Galerius (Maximian)
    Bronze Nummus
    Ticinum mint, A.D. 295-296
    Obv: MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES
    Rev: GEONI POPV-LI ROMANI - Genius, modius on head, naked but for chlamys hanging from shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae
    ST in exergue
    RIC 30b
    28mm, 9.9g.
     
  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Handsome coins all.

    One of my favorites:

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    Galerius (305 - 311 A.D.)
    Æ(S) Follis
    O: MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES, Laureate head right.
    R: SACRA MONET AVGG ET CAESS NOSTR, Moneta standing left, holding scales and cornucopia, SIS in exergue, star in left field, B in right field.
    Siscia 301 A.D.
    10.08g
    28mm
    RIC VI 135b Sisci

    How about a Tet?

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    Galerius (305 - 311 A.D.)
    Egypt, Alexandria
    Potin Tetradrachm
    O: GAL MAXIMIANOC K; Laureate and cuirassed bust right.
    R: Nike advancing right, holding wreath and palm. L - Γ across fields.
    Alexandria mint, AD 294/295
    22mm
    8.15g
    Emmett 4230(3)a, Dattari 6150

    Scarce

    Published on Wildwinds
     
  10. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Another Galerius from London, but quite a different portrait style from the OP. Large bust vs small bust?

    Lot - Galerius London.jpg GALERIUS, as Caesar
    AE Follis. 9.6g, 28mm. Londinium (London) mint, AD 303-305. RIC VI 33. O: MAXIMIANVS NOBIL C, large-sized bust, laureate and cuirassed, right. R: GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI, Genius standing left, holding patera and cornucopiae.
     
  11. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

  12. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    thejewk, Your follis has an unusually fine portrait & is heavy for a London issue with the standard weight being around 10.50 gm. The coin pictured below from the London Mint is about the same age as your coin but weighs only 8.99 gm.

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    The coin pictured below is a heavyweight from the Ticinum Mint

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  13. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    @zumbly the portrait styles of the unmarked unreduced London issues are all over the shop in style. The Cloke and Toone book and the people who've written on the issue have tried to break them down somewhat into periods based on style, but the reality is far more fluid. In some issues you can identify a portrait style which looks more like the portraits of Allectus, indicating retained mint personnel when Britannia was retaken. Others, like yours, have a style much more similar to the continental mints, probably indicating that Constantius brought mint staff along with him to train the existing staff and help pump out the necessary coinage to pay the troops. Unless I am mistaken I think our two coins do actually share the same LMCC reference number.

    @Al Kowsky thanks, I think it's an excellent and expressive portrait, but it also shows the London propensity from the coinage of Carausius and Allectus for a rather absurd neck and bust. I definitely want to get an example with a better proportioned 'large bust' to complement my coin like yours.
     
  14. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Here is a London mint Galerius as Augustus.

    Galerius

    Obv:– IMP MAXIMIANVS P F IN AVG, Laureate, cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI, Genius standing left, modius on head, naked but for chlamys over left shoulder, left hand holding cornucopiae and right hand holding patera
    Minted in London (_). Group II - i. May A.D. 305 - Late A.D. 306 or into Early A.D. 307
    Reference(s) – RIC VI London 50 (R, citing Voetter with a footnote stating that confirmation is needed). LMCC (page 126) 4.03.012

    Same die pair as LMCC plate coin and BM example (BM B.54, 9.98g, 6h. ex De Salis 1860)

    9.77 gms. 29.01 mm diameter. 180 degree die orientation.

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    Martin
     
  15. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Left facing portraits of Galerius are rare. I acquired the coin pictured below over a decade ago. The dies show obvious wear but the coin is in near mint state with some original silvering intact.

    Galerius as Caesar Lyons Mint, RIC_167b (2).jpg
    Galerius as Caesar, AD 293-305 (struck c. 301-303), Lugdunum Mint, 1st Officina, Billon follis: 9.66 gm, 27 mm, 1 h. Laureate, cuirassed bust facing left with scepter over right shoulder. Genius sacrificing over fire altar. RIC 167b.
     
  16. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Very small bust. RIC VI London 15.
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  17. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Some really nice examples everyone, thanks for sharing.
     
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  18. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Alexandria.
    z7.jpg Galerius, Alexandria, AE Follis
    Obv: IMP C GALER VAL MAXIMIANVS PF AVG, laureate Head right.
    Rev: BONO GENIO PII - IMPERATORIS, Genius standing left, modius on head, naked but for chlamys over left shoulder, patera in right hand, from which liquid flows, cornucopiae in left. K in left field, Γ over X in right field. Mintmark ALE.
     
  19. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I have one similar.

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    And a poorly treated one of Constantine the Great

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  20. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Most of my London coins are Constantius, since he was the majordomo there. First, here's an "invasion follis" issued in Gaul to fund retaking the island from Carausius/Allectus:
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    Next, the earliest of the early London folles (Maximian this time):
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    And a later long-necked Carausius-style portrait of Constantius:
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    Here's my only western follis of Galerius (Trier):
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  21. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Galerius after death bust......
    Divo Galerius.jpg
    Divus Galerius

    A.D. 311, 23x25mm 4.5gm
    DIVO MAXIMIANO; veiled head right.
    MEM DIVI M-AXIMIANI; Eagle surmounting domed shrine with closed doors. B in right field.
    In ex. •SM•TS•
    RIC VI Thessalonica 48
    Posthumous issue struck under Licinius
     
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