To CAC or not to CAC - official game thread

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by ddddd, Feb 22, 2020.

  1. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Ok. Coin I feel graded solid on the 62 from my opinion. Enough marks to keep it from higher I had a seated quarter like this with amazing color and a straight grade from pcgs but no cac cause as johnmilton said it’s well recovered secondary toning after an old dip so no bean on this one and coming from a collection that was 85% cac approved im sure it went. But the eye appeal great. I’ve seen several shots and feel it’s naturally toned but after an old dip
     
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  3. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    OK, I think I'm on deck: Here is an 1853 No Arrows dime, NGC MS-64. Mintage 95,000 before they switched over to the With Arrows variety. Did it get a bean? The reveal tomorrow.

    Obv for Photo.jpg Rev for Photo.jpg
     
  4. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Oh wow. Nice tough date coin. Looks original and accurately graded. I’m saying yes on green
     
  5. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    BTW, scratches are on the slab, not the coin.
     
  6. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I haven't been too good on the last two but my excuse is the quarantine. The 1853 dime looks completely original and I think it is graded accurately. I'd go along with giving it a green bean.
     
  7. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    That dime looks like a very high quality 64, maybe even bordering on 65. I'll say yes to the Bean on that one.
     
  8. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Honest coin with an accurate grade. Greenie.
     
  9. jom

    jom Well-Known Member

  10. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Green on the 1853 dime...looks solid overall

    (I'll update summary info after this one ends)
     
  11. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

  12. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I'll finish this one early since it looks like just about everyone has already weighed in. 7 out of 7 say it deserves a bean.

    The 1853 No Arrows dime did not bean. When I was talking to Gerry Fortin about buying this coin, I asked him if it had been submitted and he said it had and had been denied.

    I agree with all of you that this coin deserves a bean but I bought it because I really liked it, not just for its looks and date but also because this coin has a provenance. It is the plate coin for Kamal Ahwash's seminal work on Liberty Seated Dimes.

    DSC_0131.jpg Awash Cover.jpg Awash 1853 Page.jpg
     
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  13. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Wow. Fooled us.
     
  14. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Believe I’m up.

    Here’s a 1913 Indian quarter eagle graded MS62 by NGC. What did CAC say?

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  15. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Summary

    Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

    Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

    Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

    Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

    Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

    Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

    Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

    Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

    Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

    Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 8
    Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 5
    Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
    Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 3
    Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
    Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 5
    Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 1
    Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:1
    Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


    Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

    *
    Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
    Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold
     
  16. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Back to the gold coin, it looks decent for a 62. CAC is harder on gold coins, but I will say this one got it (yes on Green).

    I'm also surprised by the dime from @Publius2 as I don't see anything wrong with it.
     
  17. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Nothing wrong except CAC blew it.
     
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  18. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Wow. I’m surprised. I think I remember Gerry having that. My half came through him too he’s local to me half the year and a friend too
     
  19. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I don’t like the reverse scratches on the gold. And they’re tough on it. No bean
     
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  20. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I guess I'll stick to baked beans. Everyone around me knows first hand whether they were deserving or not.
     
  21. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    On the gold 1913, the long scratch on the obverse would tell me no bean. But then again, I'm on a wrong streak.
     
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