Finally an Eastern mint denarius for Domitian

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Apr 13, 2020.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I have been actively looking for an Eastern mint denarius of Domitian for quite some time. They come to the market every once in a while. When they do there is usually a lot of competition for them.

    There are only 3 denarii types for Domitian that feature SPES on the reverse. All 3 were struck for Domitian under Vespasian. They are RIC 788, 917, and 1489. Tis coin is RIC 1489 and I already have RIC 788. RIC 917 is known from a single example so far so I do not think I will ever find one of these.

    Another feature of this coin is the annulet under the neck truncation on the obverse. This is a mysterious 'O' mint denarius. Some believe that these coins were struck in Ephesus. I already have 2 'O' mint denarii for Vespasian but did not have one for Domitian.

    What should be obvious is the hole in the coin. I do not usually buy holed coins but I made an exception for this one. This is a case of taking what the market gives. If there were a better example available I would have bought it. I know of 2 others. One is the British Museum coin (also the RIC plate coin), and the other is owned by a Forum Ancient Coins member and is in the member's gallery. The British Museum coin is also the sole example on RPC online. Sometimes a coin is so rare you have to take any example because another is very unlikely to surface anytime soon.

    Please post your rare coins or coins of Domitian.



    Domitian AR Denarius Unknown mint in Asia Minor. ‘O’ mint. 76 CE
    (3.13g)
    Obv: CAES AVG F DOMIT COS III; Head Laureate right, a small ‘O’ is visible below the neck truncation.
    Rev: PRINCEP IVVENTVT; SPES standing left with flower
    RIC 1489 (R2); BMC 481 [VESPASIAN]; RSC 375a;RPC 1462

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  3. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    Fascinating addition Andrew! I don't know much about these 'O' mint coins. But it sounds very interesting. Do you know any publications that discuss the options of what this mint could be?
    Not rare, but a Domitian that I have not shown recently.

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    Domitian Caesar 69-81
    AR Denarius
    Struck 79 AD
    3,13g/ 18mm
    CAESAR AVG F DOMITIANVS COS VI
    Laureate head right
    PRINCEPS IVVENTVTIS
    Clasped hands before legionary eagle
    Ric 1081 (Vespasian)
     
  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Congrats, Andrew!
     
  5. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Congrats!
    I think I would be able to live with that hole too. Sometimes you have to live with less than perfect coins, and take, as you say, what the market can offer.
    I like the portrait, and the style of Spes on reverse.

    (I’m just talking, to hide that I don’t have any rare Domitians...)
     
  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    That's a nice coin, hole or not.

    When I collected U.S. coins, coins with holes were a nono, but with ancients, I have gotten so much more relaxed with "problems" and that goes for some modern coins I have bought over the years.

    So long as the hole isn't on a central figure, I can live with it.

    Congrats.
     
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  7. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

    I don't have any Flavian rarities but this sestertius of Septimius Severus is somewhat rare.



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    Septimius Severus (Augustus)
    Coin: Brass Sestertius
    L SEPT SEV PE RT AVG IMP IIII - laureate and cuirassed bust right
    ANNONA AVG COS II P P - Annona standing left, holding grain ears over modius in right hand, cornucopia in left.
    Exergue:


    Mint: Rome (194AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 20.34g / 32.23mm / 360
    Rarity: Rare
    References:
    RIC IV 677c
    Sear 6405
    Cohen 33
    Acquisition/Sale: wcnonline Ebay $0.00 10/17
    Notes: Oct 9, 18 - See CNG Coin Shop #968670

    Per CNG:"Only two known to Banti with this bust type."

    The Gary R. Wilson Collection
     
  8. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    It fit better in your collection then mine. I'm glad you got it Andrew.
    Although looking at my "O" mints maybe I shouldn't have given it up! :)



    domitian_Fides.jpg
    Laureate head right

    FIDES PVBL
    Hands clasped over caduceus, two poppies and two corn ears

    Uncertain eastern "O" mint

    76 AD

    3.21g

    RIC 1495 (R)

    Ex-Den of Antiquity; Ex-TC collection, Ex-Calgary Coin

    normal_Domitian_O.jpg
    CAESAR AVG F DOMITIANVS
    laureate head right, small 'o' below neck truncation

    PON MAX TR P COS IIII
    winged caduceus.

    Uncertain eastern "O" mint
    76 AD

    3.24g

    RIC II 1496 (R2); BMCRE II, 489; RSC II, 369; RPC II, 1469.

    Apart from the COS IIII, these titles are appropriate for Vespasian, not Domitian as Caesar
     
  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I am very jealous of those 'O' mint denarii of Domitian. Great coins. I love that the portraits on these eastern issues have such an interesting portrait style.
     
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  10. Limes

    Limes Well-Known Member

    Congratulations @Orfew. I can imagine for such an avid Flavian collecter as yourself, this catch must be very exciting.

    No 'o' denarii in my collection. I merely have a common denarius with pegasus reverse. But, in fact, two new coins of Domitian are on their way. I will post those when they arrive :)
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  11. sterlingfox

    sterlingfox New Member

    Incredible find!

    I'm fairly new to ancients, and thus, do not have a huge collection yet.

    Here is my best Domitian...

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    AR Quinarius, 1.66g, 15x14mm
    RIC 118, RSC 625, BMC 57
    Rome, 81-82 AD

    Ex Gorny & Mosch Auction 122, Lot 2067, 3/10/2003

    I do not normally go after NGC slabs, but couldn't pass this one up, as it is a rare type & in fantastic condition as well. Mine is actually the example shown on WildWinds, but is mis-attributed there as a RIC 121.
     
  12. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    A great example!
     
  13. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Great quinarius
     
  14. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    Great catch @Orfew! The hole adds character rather than detracting.
     
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  15. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    domitd21.JPG Domitian Ar Denarius RIC 1491 RPC 1463 Obv. Head right below small annulette. Rv.Winged caducesus (hybrid reverse to Vespasian) 3.49 grms 18 mm
     
  16. sterlingfox

    sterlingfox New Member

    Thanks! I was very excited to add it to my collection recently. My first Quinarius.
     
  17. AmyHart

    AmyHart New Member

    Anyone know anything about this? I am no expert on coins and this came in a box of vintage and antique jewelry from an auction.
     
  18. AmyHart

    AmyHart New Member

    Having trouble adding photo
     
  19. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    The coin arrived yesterday! Here is an updated photo.
    D 1489 VESP.jpg
     
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