Featured STOLBERG-STOLBERG Thaler

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Chris B, Apr 11, 2020.

  1. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    Davissons Ltd had an auction finish on April 1st. They always have a few items that I am interested in and this auction was no different. I only picked up one piece on the day of the auction. I already posted it on the "newest acquisition" thread but here it is again.

    A nice Teutonic Thaler of 1614. It arrived this past week and I must say it looks even nicer in hand. It will be one of the centerpieces of my German States collection.

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    Teutonic Order. Maximilian of Austria. 1588-1618. AR double thaler. 56.75 gm. 46 mm. Hall mint. 1614. Master of the Order standing, holding the hilt of a grounded sword in his right hand, a lion holding a shield to left / Maximilian on a horse moving right, a circle of shields of arms around him. Dav. 5854. KM 30. Near Extremely Fine; light wear on highest points, lightly toned, flan flaw at 11' obverse; pleasing surfaces and overall a fresh and pleasing coin.

    Obverse: Grand Master of the Order standing with sword, date in exergue
    Reverse: Maximilian mounted on horse surrounded by circle of shields of arms

    Ruler: Maximilian
    Note: Dav. #A5854

    Composition: Silver
    Weight: 56.75g
    Diameter: 46mm

    From Wikipedia: Today, Maximilian is perhaps best remembered for his baroque archducal hat, exhibited in the treasury of the monastery of Klosterneuburg and was used for ceremonial purposes as late as 1835.

    Well, I guess it's good to be known for something.

    As I usually do, I perused the items in the aftersale. I kept coming back to this coin, you know, it kind of spoke to me. Somehow I had overlooked it before and during the sale.

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    Obverse: In front of the crowned column, a ten-tailed deer striding to the left on a grass floor covered with two saplings and a flower
    Obverse Legend: IOHAN: MART: COM: IN • STOLBERG • RON: R • WERN: E • HONS
    Reverse: triple-helmeted Spanish shield, the divided year number on top, and the initials of the mint master(IK) on the sides
    Reverse Legend: DOM: IN • EPS: MVN: BREVB: LOR: ET. CLETE.

    Ruler: Johann Martin I
    Note: Dav# 7786.

    Composition: Silver
    Diameter: 44 mm
    Weight: 28.64g

    I have always liked these coins. The deer and column design are just attractive to me. But, I had never acquired a Thaler from here. This design was minted from 1645 to 1663. Across those years, between PCGS and NGC they have graded a total of 3 pieces. 1 each from 1649, 1650, and 1654. This isn't really surprising. Europe hasn't really gotten behind 3rd party grading yet.

    A search on acsearch shows a total of 30 pieces being sold at auction over the last 12 years. There was only 1 from 1646 that sold at a Kunker auction in 2012 for almost $5000. In my opinion, that piece was slightly better but it's close. That piece brought the highest price of any Davenport#7786 on acsearch. The other pieces cover a wide range of prices. As low as $300 for a well-worn piece.

    In addition, there are 2 currently listed on ma-shops (1653,1655) but they are far inferior pieces.

    So, obviously, I pulled the trigger and made the purchase. I feel like I got it for a bargain price when compared to similar sales. I'm not one to post what I pay for stuff but if you really want to know, send me a private message .

    Up to this point I had only ever acquired 1 Stolberg piece, this little 1/48 Thaler from 1719.
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    Obverse: Stag left in front of column, end of inscription 'WERCK' in exergue
    Obverse Legend: GOTT SEEGNE U. ERHALTE UNSERE BERG.
    Reverse: 4-line inscription, mintmaster's initials divide date below
    Reverse Inscription: 48 / EINEN / THALER / FEIN SILB.

    Ruler: Christof Friedrich and Jost Christian

    Composition: Silver
    I am at the point in my collecting journey where quality is more important than quantity. I feel like I was a hoarder to a certain extent. A few years ago I promised myself that I would get rid of all the stuff that didn't thrill me anymore. Of course, there is still way too much stuff in the safe (and other places), but I am pretty happy with the state of my collection at this point.

    Feel free to post anything relevant or just pieces that came from aftersales.
     
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  3. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Nothing related to those coins to post, but they are all really cool!
    Plus, I'm also in the same boat where I'm trying to focus on quality over quantity (although I do still get sidetracked on occasion).
     
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  4. Cachecoins

    Cachecoins Historia Moneta

    The Johann Martin deer is stunning...I don't buy a lot of coins these days but if I am going to buy one I want it to be the best one I can find for the money I can spend and I am willing to wait for a long time until I find the one.
     
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  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Very nice pickups :) I'm afraid I'm not smart enough to have purchased after-auction items, but it'll be on my list of things to do in the future, when I get back into the black from my last purchase.
     
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  6. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    The artwork on these pieces is so charming. I absolutely love the expression on the lion's face on the first one.
     
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  7. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    He does kind of look like the Cowardly Lion.
     
  8. juslystn

    juslystn Lets argue

    Beautiful piece
     
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  9. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    lovely coins, man I want a teutonic thaler!
     
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