Spanish coins 1661,1721, 1717 and 1808...attached to bowl

Hi Folks
Just found this forum and hope it is of use to me and me to it. However, I know nothing about Spanish coins and have a hallmarked Spanish silver bowl which has four coins as part of it. The large coin in the base is 35cm (1.4") diameter and dated 1661 and the three much smaller ones (which have been bent to make cigarette rests) around the sides are 1717,1721 and 1808.
I would like any information you can give me and any values... bearing in mind they are now attached to the bowl which is 5" wide and 1.5" deep......perhaps a possible valuation of the whole thing. Please see photos.
Best wishes, Mike.

 

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The value of this piece is affected by the coins, but moreso from whatever hallmarks it might have if the piece itself is indeed silver. If it has a well known and popular maker, the value could be quite a bit more than if it is an unknown, or not hallmarked piece. The hallmarks are little stamps with designs, numerals, letters etc.

 

Thank you for the information but when you say it is a fake... what is it a fake of please and how do I know that it is a fake rather than an original? Also, assuming that they are all fake, they are all 999.9 silver so they must have a value..... any information will be welcomed. Thanks and Best wishes, Mike.

 

The charles IIII coin is without doubt fake, and I have a feeling, like GD said, if one is I would bet the others are. They would have only silver value if thats what they are. I can tell its fake by the portrait among other clues...real one should look like this:



and its not a terribly cheap coin in good condition.

 

Value?

Weigh the bowl, and calculate the silver value.

Unless there is a scarce hallmark.
(look for Paul Revere. JK, he didn't use fake coins.)

 

That's interesting and I would like to thank you all for the help. Best wishes, Mike.

 

Mike:
Hey why not stick around and learn or make comments?

 

Hi Treashunt... I am hoping to do just that. I have much interest in coins and notes but lack knowledge. What knowledge I have I hope to use but also to broaden by visiting here. Thanks and Best wishes, Mike.

 

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I'm watching the lot, nice pictures.
Good luck.

 

It would appear that I should have visited a reputable dealer to have the bowl appraised. The Spanish collector I sold it to on Ebay has had it appraised and the coins are genuine..... he had a bargain at £37.
Best wishes, Mike.

 

Not likely...If I were him, I would get a second opinion That is assuming he isnt saying this just because he is planning to sell it as authentic...which is highly probable.