1936 Indian Head Nickle problem

Or how about a hydraulic press?

Ribbit

 

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That'd sure explain the squished image, no? I think we solved it, Sherlock! hya:

 

Agreed, Doug.

However, as the coin is broadstruck, there is distortion to the devices on the coin, especially the legends around the rim.

This piece has all of the design, without distortion, exactly in place, and perfect, but simply larger.

No chance that it is real.

 

There is one problem with that solution, the coin itself would be thinner. So now we need the Poster to tell us the difference in thickness, from a normal one to this one. That will either seal the case or open it back up for further analysis. :kewl:

Ribbit

Ps: Personally, I think it got squished. It has a flattened look about it.

 

It could be real . . . . really squished!

Ribbit

 

:thumb:

 

This coin could be easily made through a procedure known as hydroshock. The coin would be placed on a hard surface, probably a steel plate. It would then be covered with a water-filled membrane and a high explosive placed on top of that. When the explosive is detonated, the shock is transmitted evenly through the liquid onto the coin and the pressure flattens and expands the coin. This would probably flatten the reverse side of the coin so it would be instructive to see a picture of that side too. However, placing a sheet of hard rubber or soft plastic under the coin might allow the reverse side to expand without flattening.

A similar, but different, process made the coin below. Any guesses on how it was done? And yes, these are both 100% real Kennedy halves. The small one is narrower in diameter, but thicker. They both weigh exactly the same amount.

 

Looks squished to me, made larger than a nickel, smaller than a quarter. That was the size of a NYC subway token. One way people made token slugs was by hammering nickels. Do you happen to have such a token handy to compare the size?

 

The shrunken Kennedy was made via magneforming, see http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1857

 

That's way kewl! :thumb:

I wonder what one would look like that's been shrunk, then the exposive thingy is done to it to re-enlarge it?

Ribbit

 

The coin thickness is the same as the regular nickel.

But just to be sure of what it is or what it isn't I decided to send it to ANACS for identification this morning. From what I understand it will take about 15 days to have them ID it.

I want to thank each of you for your thoughts and suggestions and once I hear from ANACS I will post their results.

 

This type thing turns up often enough I'm surprised no one had the answer. This is a "texas" sized coin. Davidh has the closest reason for the size. What has happened is the coin is placed between two pieces of hard leather and then pounded with a hammer. The leather, like the water in the hydroshock, distributes the impact evenly over the whole surface of the coin, front and back, causing it to expand evenly.

 

wow nice find!!!

 

I was wondering the same thing? Just doesn't jive?

Ribbit

 

Difference between the diameter of a nickel and quarter isn't that great. Stretching a nickel out to quarter size would not reduce the thickness that much. Probably wouldn't be noticable without a micrometer and even then where do you measure it? The rim? The fields? Measureing thickness on coins is a very iffy thing.

 

Nice reference! I traced back through the references and this one was the most impressive.

http://amasci.com/amateur/capexpt.html

I rank this about the level of using the 12 gauge shotgun forgery die making as mentioned in Larson's Numismatic Forgery.

Jim

 

OK, received the coin back from the grader. the marked it is N9 although they didn't say how or what. so I guess it is just a keepsake coin.

 

Its a fake. This is old so you might know that already but NO ERROR can stretch the image of the face and bison and scale them up to the new size.

Ruben