Titus with a neck beard!

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Anyone have a Nero coin depicting him with that chinstrap beard?
     
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  3. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Yep. Here it is:
    NeroDenJupCust.jpg
    Nero; 54-68 AD. AR Denarius (3.4 gm). Obv: his lar. hd. r. Rev: "IVPPITER CVSTOS"; Jupiter std. l. holding scepter and thunderbolt. RIC 64; SM1930 (var)
     
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  4. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    And another:
    NeroSalusDen2.jpg
    Nero. 54-68 AD. AR Denarius (19mm, 3.0 gm, 7h). Rome mint. Struck circa 65-66 AD. Obv: NERO CAESAR AVGVSTVS, laureate head right. Rev: SALVS in exergue, Salus, draped, seated left on ornamented throne, holding patera in right hand and resting left hand on side. RIC I, 71; RSC 316; BMC 98.
     
  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great coins @PeteB. That Jupiter reverse Nero is great.
     
  6. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Outstanding coin Andrew!

    All coins of Titus are bearded, it depends on the amount of wear whether you can see one or not. I always describe his coins as 'bearded'.
     
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  7. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I never really noticed before, but I think you're right, even though the photos in RCV and RSC are so small that it's hard to tell sometimes. It's certainly true even of the coins issued when he was Caesar, like mine:

    Titus denarius - Annona reverse.jpg
    Taking that together with the coins (and statues) of Nero showing him with a chinstrap beard, as @Herodotus points out, it's rather obvious that the oft-repeated statements that Hadrian was the first emperor with any sort of beard are incorrect. Although I think it's still safe to say that he was the first emperor to wear a full beard! As I asked before, does a mere chinstrap really count in the world of beards? Based on the old family photos I have, my most recent direct male ancestor to wear any kind of beard was one of my great-great-grandfathers (my father was always clean-shaven, and one grandfather as well as both great-grandfathers wore mustaches), as shown in this 1859 photograph taken in Pomerania, in which he sits on the far right. But it was a mere chinstrap as well, and I probably saw this photo 100 times before I ever noticed it, because the portion under his chin blends in with his tie:

    Mosevius family 1859, Stolp, Pom..jpg

    So I'm still not sure it really counts!
     
  8. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Here's another portrait of Carus sporting the combination of a neckbeard and a receding hairline:

    Carus, silvered AE Antoninianus, 283 AD, Antioch Mint. Obv. Radiate bust right, IMP C M AVR CARVS PF AVG/ Rev. VIRTUS AVGGG, Carus receives Victory from Jupiter, star in upper field, XXI in exergue. RIC V-2 125(A), Sear RCV III 12190, ERIC II 141, Cohen 117. 20.25 mm., 3.59 g.

    Carus denarius jpg version.jpg
     
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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Ti Veturius.jpg
    TI VETURIUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS VETURIA
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Helmeted bust of Mars right
    REVERSE: Youth kneeling l., between two warriors who touch with their swords a pig which he holds., ROMA above
    Struck at Rome 137 BC
    3.7g, 18mm
    Cr.234/1; RSC Veturia 1
     
  10. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    That's a goatee, not a neck beard! Is that a cigarette in Mars's teeth?
     
  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Toothpick! BTW, that is a neck beard. A goatee is only on the chin. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. ma-shops

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  13. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    On my very mediocre example of that coin, Mars is completely clean-shaven -- no goatee, no neck beard, no long sideburns, no cigarette or toothpick. In other words, more of an All-American Boy look than your 1950s beatnik look. I haven't checked to see which look is more prevalent for this coin type.

    Ti. Veturius - pig Obv. 3.jpg

    Ti. Veturius - pig Rev 1.jpg
     
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  14. fomovore

    fomovore Active Member

    Pfft... That's not a neckbeard... This is a neckbeard
     

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