1878 one Dollar coin

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by Michelle Barone, Mar 31, 2020.

  1. Michelle Barone

    Michelle Barone New Member

    Thanks all! It’s not magnetic. I don’t have a great scale at the moment. What should it weigh if real?
     
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  3. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Not at all. There are plenty of VAMs with circumferential cracks. I don't know if this is one, or if it's legit, but you certainly can't rule it out on that basis.
     
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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    26.73 grams, with a tolerance of around a tenth of a gram, so between 26.63 and 26.83g.
     
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  5. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    26.73g plus or minus .097g.
     
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  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    How about you tell us more about it? such as.. Where did you acquire it? Who did it belong to?
     
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  7. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    It would be easier to see the details if you posted clear photos of both sides of the coin taken directly over the coin, not at an angle. :)
     
  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    This is the 7TF "B" Reverse with Parallel Arrow Feather (PAF). There is too much wear on the reverse for me to call this an AU coin. ~ Chris
     
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  9. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    2 wings. 7 tail feathers. It's not a mythical creature.

    About a $20 coin.
     
  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I don't see anything that says fake, as far as value low AU.
     
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  11. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    This looks like a totally original au 50 1878 7 tailfeathers reverse of 78 (flat breast) Morgan dollar. I find the crusty original skin and subtle toning attractive the die crack looks legit. The Vam guys could probably tell you more. Value $60-70. I like the coin @heavycam.monstervam @messydesk
     
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  12. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I think the reverse is weakly struck from a worn die. The overall appearance of the coin to me is au 50. 45 on the worst possible day 53 on the best
     
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  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’ll buy every 1878p you or anyone else has in xf or better for $20. It’s a lot more valuable than basic bullion
     
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  14. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    That's very interesting about the weight tolerance.
    Why does a MUCH heavier coin have such a low tolerance, 0.097 grams,
    and the tolerance on a quarter is +/- .227?
    Even a nickel is 0.194 which is twice the tolerance of the Morgan.
     
  15. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    You might be right about the weak strike, but I don't know that it is from a worn die. Perhaps John @messydesk can provide us with more information. ~ Chris
     
  16. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I too see the dye cracks. Great to learn something new to watch out for, thank you Danomite. For her sake I hope you are wrong, but in any event I am certainly learning from all of you. Thanks!
     
  17. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Jumping in late. Thanks for the tag @Mainebill and @cpm9ball . The reverse weakness by the eagle's left foot is typical of the VAM 42 reverse, which is a 7/8 TF variety. I can see the long arrow nock, which is one of the features of the 7/8 TF coins. The obvious feature is extra tail feather tips below the tail feathers. I can't see this from the picture, but that doesn't mean they're not there. The coin looks like an AU to me. Too hard to say if it's been messed with from the picture, so I'll just say "don't mess with it" and leave it at that. As for what it's worth, if it is a 7/8 TF and is a problem-free (hasn't been cleaned) AU, I'd say $70 or so.
     
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  18. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    The tail feathers on VAM 42 look exactly like this. You can see the extra tail feather tips at the bottom of the middle 3 tail feathers, especially the third from the left:

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  19. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    He is wrong about die cracks indicating a counterfeit coin.
     
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  20. Ana Silverbell

    Ana Silverbell Well-Known Member

    The coin shows no signs of being a counterfeit. The die cracks along the reverse lettering are frequently seen on Morgan dollars. Obverse and reverse show fairly even wear, except for the area around the claws and arrows. It could have had a weaker strike to start around that region. Hard to know but this is a nice looking original Morgan. I would grade it XF45/AU50.
     
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  21. SamuelFred1

    SamuelFred1 I Guess I'm Kind Of a Decent Member at This Point?

    I don't think this is the 7/8 tail feather variety. It would be pretty clear if it were.
     
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