1958-D Cent

y not explain the circled areas so we can all benefit

 

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Those could be seen as areas of wear, but I don't see it that way, given the condition of the rest of the coin. If those circled areas were actually worn to any visible degree through circulation or general handling I think there would be evidence of finger oils elsewhere on the coin, especially in the obverse and reverse fields. There are no smudges or fingerprints anywhere that I can see.

Settle it eddiespin, you found it somewhere and posted it, what is it's grade?

 

The coin has seen some circulation as evidenced above, and the minute rim hits and luster breaks.

Cannot tell if the coin is original or rubbed for the color.

If this were a key date, a MS-BR grade would not suprise me the least, as an AU, it is far more attractive than many low end mint state coins, and will trade at a price accordingly.

 

My pleasure. This second one is a PCGS66RD on Heritage right now.

PS: Is that "wear" I see on that bow tie? Doesn't look as sharp to me.

PPS: Copyright infringement? Sue me.

 

In a recent thread, it was hashed out and concluded that dings, nicks and scrapes in themselves aren't evidence of circulation, and a coin can exhibit those traits and still be MS. Given those facts, how does this coin's condition prove it's been circulated?

I'll ask the question I asked then, and didn't get a definitive answer to: what event happens to transition a coin from MS to AU, and how can you tell simply from looking at a coin whether it's markings are from circulation or from rough handling through the minting and banking system?

 

Your point is well taken David....

 

It sure is. I don't know the answer, David. Ya know what, though? I don't know that the TPGs even do...

 

if anyone could do that do you think they would have time to spare let alone be on the forum they would either be in their castle or their yatch sailing the pacific

 

Okay, that's the second one (which no one asked about). Now, what about the first one? You got the picture from somewhere; what was the grade that was given with the picture?

Huh? Are you saying that being able to grade a coin accurately from a picture will make you rich? How does that work? There are plenty of posters here who provide pictures and invite guesses as to the grade of the particular coin in the picture. And, none of us are getting rich from making those guesses. It's just fun.

 

if you could grade a coin accurately from a pic with 100% consistency you would not be rich you would be super rich

 

Without looking at the replies, I'll say AU-58. What leads me to that is the cheek area, look like there is a very slight rub on it, and the lapel appears to show some wear also. The reverse appears on the right wheat stalk to show some light wear too. Overall, a nice coin, I like it. :thumb: :thumb:

Phoenix

 

I'll just say this. MS doesn't mean today what it meant yesterday. Think about it. Not when things such as toning and pedigree, because of market influence, are taken as grading factors, on par with the traditional factors, and can break that threshold.

This is a lowly '58-D cent, with uniform crimson and sky and deep blue toning, and Eddiespin pedigree. If it were a Morgan dollar, with the same kind of toning, and Eliasberg, Louis E., Sr. pedigree, would it break the threshold from AU to MS? Would the rub you're noticing be cabinet rub...i.e., cabinet fiction (oh...did I imply that's imaginary?). Let me suggest, that's the question. In other words, I'm comfortable with your analysis and conclusion, but provided your answer to that question is a resounding, "No way!"

 

Two thumbs up is better than one. Thanks!

 

If you were a renowned collector your coins upgrade themselves its called branding. should it happen in a perfect world? no does it happen in the real world? all the time

 

IMO the relative lack of dings/hits suggests we're seeing weak strike rather than wear.

The biggest hit is on the T in CENT, and that takes it down to MS64RB.

 

We were discussing grading. But I do appreciate what you're getting at. The market pays for that kind of thing. Or at least a pidgeon does...

 

even with the TPG's there is a lot of branding going on sometimes its obvious sometimes its not and trust me pigeons make the market if ti were knowledgeable collectors the coins would be rather cheap

 

You have a very incisive understanding of the bottom line. :kewl: