March 27th: Altered Coin, Counterfeit Coin, or Genuine Error?

1985 Lincoln cent - Flip-over Double strike.

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The uneven strike leaves me very suspicious.

 

genuine.

Since neither strike is inverted, that rules out a vise job.

 

I am liking everything about the coin except why the second strike looks partial or tilted with out leaving evidence of mis alignment.

 

Another manufactured error in my opinion based on the differing degree of alignment between the obverse and reverse. (not sure which is which....)

 

Genuine. Since most of your other threads have been altered coins it's about time you post a genuine Mint Error

 

I'm going with fake as it would have to have been flipped over twice durning the minting, which I don't see how that's possible.

 

That is possible. It's called a Double flip-over strike.

 

I guess then it would be pretty rare. I also don't see how just parts of the die show devices without flattening the other parts. How does the edge look?

 

edges are normal

 

I think that 1985 cent is a multiple strikes flip over because the strikes are not incuse. Furthermore it is apparent that the piece is struck. What do you think the grade is? MS63BN without the zinc-rot?
http://www.error-ref.com/mulitple-strikes-flip-over/

 

I'm in the not genuine opinion. LIBERTY is too strong for being struck upon by the reverse die and the flip over reverse die.

 

I’m leaning towards a counterfeit coin. Was the original strike from rotated dies?

 

I missed the tilted and mis aligned dies earlier. I like it. Genuine.

Did you see this one @physics-fan3.14

 

Misaligned or rotated?

 

Both, it depends on the pitch of the die upon striking.

 

First, this coin appears to be a 1985, this is a tease on the answer. Look at the D in United and the letters in States you can see one is fairly well struck and yet the other is appears debris filled. There are differences in EPU also. This indicates two different dies. Therefore I say Counterfeit. There are other indications also.

 

I have been away from the boards for personal reasons for a few weeks, and have apparently missed the first few in this series (although I do recall recommending Jcro start a series like this) .

The coin in the OP looks like a genuine error to me. The seamless blending of the designs is beyond the capability of most forgers. Honestly, I don't have any stronger reasoning than "this feels right."

 

First strike:



second strike:



The orientations are correct, but it still baffles me how significant the difference in the second strike is from one half of the coin to the other. There are only two ways for that to happen:

1. The planchet is significantly tapered.
2. The dies were severely misaligned.

A severely misaligned die will produce an off-center image, which is not seen here. In addition, the weak area moved at least 90° clockwise between strikes (if the first strike was indeed weak). Therefore it isn’t a MAD double-strike.

The easiest was to explain this is that counterfeit dies were made, and the obverse die was not lined up vertically when it was hit. This would create a linearly-varying strike strength like that seen on this coin.

My vote is altered, unless there is a significant planchet taper

 

Looks familiar.
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=Misaligned+Die+strike+