1909 P Lincoln Possible Proof?? What do you think?

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  1. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    It has the die scratch on the nose which is a good sign for the matte proof. The pics aren't the greatest so I am hoping but not holding my fingers crossed. I won this coin off of the bay and I can't wait to see it when it arrives. What do you guys think.
     

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  3. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    A proof covered in orange peal?
     
  4. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    I have not seen a messed up Liberty on them. Wait and see:confused:

    Tom, I owe you a phone call, we somehow got disconnected yesterday, then I got busy.
     
  5. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    It's ok AJ, my phone totally died. I know your busy. I would like the list/pics of coins you got from the show.

    RLM, this coin wasn't too expensive and if it doesn't cut the mustard I can return it. Tom
     
  6. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    better pics... 1909 P Lincoln

    Here is 2 more pictures. I can't wait to see this coin. The die marker/scratch is there in plain view on the nose. The other die markers will be better to see in hand. The guy listed this coin as "possible matte proof" so who knows.
     

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  7. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Very nice coin either way IMHO, that is a real looker! Best of luck man. :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  8. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    Not too bad for the $24 price tag..... The guys photos have much to be desired. I hope that this one turns out much better than the photo!
     
  9. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    $24 isn't bad at all, especially if it turns out to be a proof, lol. I think you did pretty good, looks like a MS-64 to me, with good eye-appeal, what are your thoughts?

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  10. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    I like your assessment but I am hoping for Matte PR-63 :D
     
  11. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    I'd be happy with that. :D Best of luck, let us know when it arrives! :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  12. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    I can only dream!!!
     
  13. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I wish the best of luck to you. The biggest factor in getting one slabbed as a 1909 proof is the flatness of the rims. Most have the sharp cylindrical edges too. Just going by the photos, the sharpness of the strike seems weak for the 1909 proof. Breen and Bowers both mention that there were many early stage business strikes that came close to proof standards. Breen said he once owned one that was struck with a proof obv die and a business strike reverse die :)

    Also the color of this coin is not what one would suspect of a matte proof unless it has been heavily dipped. I have one of a similar color ( different year)that carries the Artificial color designation on the ANACS slab.

    Anyway , not to be discouraging, always hope for good things for all, It is hard to tell a matte proof in hand with a loupe, let alone with photos :)

    Jim
     
  14. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I think it is not a proof -- I'd expect the L in liberty to be quite crisp and less flow-lines in the fields -- but I'm anything but an MPL expert.

    Hoping for the best!!!
     
  15. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Leadfoot, You are correct on the liberty. There also seems to be some ding marks on the wheat lines on the left, but it is hard to tell if they are there or on the holder. But it is fun to guess.

    Jim
     
  16. ambro

    ambro www.lincolncentennial.com

    Sorry, it is most certainly NOT a matte proof.

    Genuine 1909 proofs, both the VDB and the Plain, do not have the angular die scratch inside the C in Cent, on the reverse. Your coin clearly shows this marker.
     
  17. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    Thanks ambro... I appreciate your comments and assessment.
     
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