Information trying to understanding error/damage

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Semi, Mar 23, 2020.

  1. Semi

    Semi Member

    Okay always trying to figure out and learn in life. I know the more you see the easier it becomes to identify things in life. The more you read and/or are informed ( like here on CT ) the more you learn. . So I saw this coin online and was thinking what was going on with it ? And had me thinking. Everyone looks at things different. So the idea of how one goes about determining what was the cause or how it became to be ? Was interesting .
    Well I have my thoughts on what it may be and I'm sure I'm totally wrong lol ,but just thought it was a interesting question. When you look at a coin ....how do look at it . What's your approach ? Do you look and say I've seen this before and go from there or do look at it without a preconceived thought based on what you see at face or do you try to think of all things that could possibly cause something and start to deduct. So how do approach determining a variety or error ?
    I'll post the coin that made me wonder how someone approaches a coin in determining what they have .
     

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  3. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    How many years do you have?

    But seriously, it just takes time. Read through this forum and all the threads regarding errors and damage and digest it. All the answers you are looking for are already here, guaranteed! It takes time to train your eyes. Over time you will begin to understand and spot true errors vs. damage.

    I am no where near an expert. With that said, my initial thought of your buffalo nickel is damage. Something called nic-a-date "may" have been used on it to bring out the date. On the other side of the coin, I could be completely wrong.

    Others (experts) will chime in and help you.
     
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  4. Semi

    Semi Member

    My thoughts were to long in acid, but my question was how do "you" look at a coin ....your thought process, your approach ? Everyone looks at things in life from different ways. I just thought it would be interesting to hear how we approach things and in this case a coin. The coin I posted was the coin that made me wonder how different people look/approach a coin when they first see it.

    But thanks ...
     
  5. Semi

    Semi Member

    Oh sorry.... I may not have been clear. Iit's not my coin nor am I interested in this coin ....
    The question isn't about what happened to it ,just what your personal process is.
     
  6. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    My first thought when I saw that coin was split planchet because of the uneven streaks or grain running across the obverse. That would also account for the weak strike on the reverse. The things that I see on that coin that make me want to refrain from that thought are the roughness of the opposite side and not knowing the weight to prove any of my thoughts. What is the coin advertised as?
     
  7. Semi

    Semi Member

    I thought it light have a lamination till I saw the ou ther side and thought it was a long bath. They just have it listed as a 1925 D
     
  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    My guess is well worn, and that some one used Nic-a-Date ( Ferric chloride) to try to enhance both sides in a bath. Jim
     
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  9. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    Nic-a-date is acid. How to look, where to look, when to look are not easy answers. Everyone has different levels of expertise. Before you delve into errors, I would suggest you study the basics of coin and the minting process.
     
  10. FarmerBill

    FarmerBill Member

    On a buffalo nickel I look at the horn, the haunch, then I go from there.
     
  11. Semi

    Semi Member

    Gee thanks there long island. I'll take that into consideration !
     
  12. Semi

    Semi Member

    As far as nice a date being acid. If you read what I said : my thoughts were acid ! I was agreeing with you... and yes it is a difficult question ,but it's a question. And I said I have no interest in the coin or diving into errors. It was a question to see how people like to approach looking at a coin . But again thank long Island
     
  13. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    If you have no interest in that coin, you shouldn't have post a picture of that coin. If you have no interest in delving into errors, you shouldn't have put "error" in your subject line.

    I'm going to bed. Good night!
     
  14. Semi

    Semi Member

    Well first of all I can do what ever I feel like this is American guy ! Secondly I said I was putting the picture up because that was the coin that made me wonder how people looked at a coin. If the concept is to perplex for you you should go to bed and maybe stay there !
     
  15. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    The first thing I usually do is try to form an opinion of the person posting the thread. Are their thoughts sloppy and poorly put-together in print? Do they take the time to check their writing for errors or do they just "throw it out there" and force the reader to try to make up their mind what the writer is trying to say?

    It sounds as though you don't like people to be brutally honest because they might hurt your feelings. That is something we all have to live with. It is the American way. Is it not? No! I'm not going to bed as @Islander80-83 suggested. I'll just read some of the other threads and watch TV. ~ Chris
     
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  16. Semi

    Semi Member

    Ha Ha Ha you so funny old man !
     
  17. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    After Vinegar datingseveral dozen nickels, i can confidently declare this is the victim of an acid treatment.

    Most people use Nic-A-Date as a spot treatment. Vinegar is used and a whole-coin treatment.

    Striations, strange tonig, and the appearance of weak strikes are 100% hallmarks of vinegar dating.

    From a vinegar dating “expert”
     
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  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Bingo!
     
  19. Greg Bayes

    Greg Bayes Where's the loo?

    I accidentally left a Buffalo (Nickle) in Nic-A-Day too long and got the same result.
     
  20. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I don't form an opinion of the poster until I see their reaction to the responses to their questions.

    Everything is different, somewhere or somehow it is different, no two coins are exactly the same. They may look the same and have different approaches to achieve that look or have the exact same make and history and look totally different.

    The technique you develop to arrive at your final assessment will be different from someone elses. The main thing to always remember though is keep an open mind and review all of the data. That data can consist of what you see, what the other person sees, your experience as well as the experience of others, and experimental data.

    One of the things I was taught and I always have done, is to convince myself without a doubt that my answer is the correct one. Because if you follow the rules of investigation and can't convince yourself or if you convince yourself without following the rules of investigation or if someone else changes your mind, at some point, you gave up.
     
  21. Semi

    Semi Member

    Interesting and love that lesson on convincing yourself that's a good one...!
     
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