1958-D Cent

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  1. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Let's grade this. If you think you can, tell us what factors are most and least important to you in arriving at your grade. Thanks.
     

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  3. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    Nice field, no damage there. Moderately weak strike with loss of detail in E PLURIBUS and 8 of date. Toning (to me) detracts from overall look. No apparent sign of wear. Hits on N and T of CENT. Hit on I, and maybe C, of AMERICA. Rim ding above first T of TRUST. Small rim hits at 9:00 and 10:00 on obverse. Small scratch on Lincoln's upper collar. Apparent small spots above T of CENT and between Y and collar.

    I grade it MS-64; some services may go MS-65 tops.
     
  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    I'm horrible at grading but I'll take a stab...AU50....E Pluribus looks slightly worn (or is that a weal strike?). Dings in the letters on the reverse.

    Also, looks like some rim damage on obverse at 1:00
     
  5. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    it seems you are really missing Harvey :D
     
  6. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Wait a second.......he was here a minute.....oh, hi Harvey
     
  7. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    Doctor about my friend green .... it happens only early in the AM? i neednt worry? oh ok i will call you if he gives his collection away. harvey is also harmless ok. thanks doc
     
  8. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Spock, I vigorously protest. That is against my Hippa rights.
     
  9. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    hey i am just looking out for you buddy we dont want harvey hurting you now do we?
     
  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    There, I've had my first cup of coffee. Harvey....who the heck is Harvey?
     
  11. alpha480v

    alpha480v Senior Member

    AU-58. Weak strike.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Gonna have to go with 58 myself. Seems to be light wear on the obverse.
     
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  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I suppose if we can call this a representative cross-section of the market, nobody likes the toning, then, huh? Oh well...

    Thanks all. And thanks very much, David, for providing the detail, I really appreciate that. :thumb:

    EDIT PS: Green18, E Pluribus is a problem strike in this series...it's pretty common, even on the high gem examples. There's an MS-66 on Heritage right now, if you want to check that out. Just affects the first half it. Seems like either a problem strike, or the dies were polished a little hard up there.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Eddie, based on your comments it seems that what you were trying to find out was if the coin would be upgraded because of the toning. Well, in a way it probably has been, even though, I for example, said AU58.

    You see, if that toning were not present on the coin it might easily grade AU55 or 53. For toning, on coins like this, often covers up or disguises wear enough for the coin to be graded higher than it would otherwise be graded. And the toning almost always affects the eye appeal of the coin which can bump it up as well. For if that coin were not toned like it is, it might not look anywhere near that good.

    And for the record, I like the toning a lot.
     
  16. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Toning is a fact of life and at some point must be accepted otherwise some or all of our collections might have to be replaced. I don't mind the toning on this coin at all. What's the final grade Eddie?
     
  17. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Oh shoot, I'm very sorry, I didn't mean to mislead! It's a raw job.

    I was looking at some of the slabbed ones over the past several months on Heritage, and wherever else I could find them, and the "milk spots" are distracting, for one, and, I'm not very good with the overall appearance of any of those, either, to tell you the truth. You've seen one, you've seen 'em all. They all have hits and the same uneven, or spotty, luster, which is also kind of unappealing, to me. E Pluribus, though, is the same on all of these...and, personally, I grade this is a 65+, when rated against that cross-section, I've seen. What I wanted to know was how you guys rated the toning (at least, from what I could capture of it...the deep blue captured a little flat, I have to admit), but, also, specifically, what problems and/or problem areas you saw on the coin.

    I'm good with your grades, though, don't think I'm being critical of those. You guys are better at that than me, anyway (I admit, I'm not that good on Lincolns). Thanks, again...everyone!
     
  18. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    OK, eddiespin and I graded it MS; everyone else with an opinion says AU. I don't see wear - can someone point out where it is?
     
  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    The nicks on the lettering on the reverse and the rim shot on the front caused me to give the coin an AU rating.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Circled areas.
     

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  21. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    you will see him again tomorrow at 6 am ;) :D
     
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