Lost lost MATTE PROOF?!?

Ugh. I have seen this before with circulated early Lincolns. In my opinion op's coin is nothing more than a former encased cent. It wasnt uncommon in 1909 for many business strikes to show somewhat squared edge anyways. But i believe this one was encased where the rims were flattened down and appear squared. Notice how close the rim comes to L in LIBERTY. A true matte proof would have more space between the L and the rim. Notice that in some of the pics posted of real matte proofs.

Oh and I do collect matte proofs and can very much tell when one is or isnt.

 

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Excellent point. I was looking at the same thing. But since the "L" is the closest to the rim is why it received the most damage and wear, and also why the "Y" of LIBERTY took the least amount of wear. Same exact scenario on the date in the reverse direction......the last 9 is most worn and the least worn is the 1.

 

You have it backwards. Think it through. The L is significantly lower than the rim (on your coin) and since it's so close, it will be protected until the rim wears.

And you want us to trust you with your other observations?

Looks like another addition to my "Do Not Respond" list. Best of luck with your collecting endeavors.

 

You can see that the obverse in the photo post 59a (top half) this is not a proof.

 

This sounds like that guy that wanted to change his username and stole Money from one of our members and is always talking about platinum... ??


Alway right and everyone else is wrong...

 

Agree.

 

If you are so adamant that it is a proof, send it in to PCGS and wait for their opinion. You won’t be able to sell this coin as a matte proof anyway unless PCGS or NGC slab it as one.

Much easier to convince yourself of the best case scenario than to actually look closely at the coin and realize it isn’t. Believe me, I’ve done this many times before.

 

Did you get it back from PCGS yet?
Let's see the slab.

 

PCGS is closed due to Corona Virus.

 

Oh no. That means we have a couple more weeks of inconclusive pics and "trust me, it has to a matte proof" posts.

 

OP. You need an image like this. Angle shots don't work. Take the image flat to the coin.

 

There's no need to send it in. In the top photo on post 59 it is an obvious business strike coin. $15-$20 max retail.

 

I doubt that it's an impaired proof. If you send it to a TPG and it comes back as a proof I'll eat a bug!

 

Funniest thing I’ve read here lately.

Apparently you are the expert. Don’t bother interacting with us plebeians until you can show off your coin in a shiny new PCGS slab.

Until then, you are just another nutjob who thinks he’s hit the lottery and won’t take no for an answer

 

Larry, he can't lay it on a flat surface to take the photos from directly overhead. His fingers get in the way! ~ Chris

 

Put up or Shut up! Send it to a TPG and then when it comes back no matter what show us what it graded as and if it was a Matte Proof of just a regular cent.

 

You sound very sure ! If I was that sure I would send it in for grading and video the opening on its return. I mean if your that sure and with a fantastic retail the certification/grading coast is a mear bag of shells Norton

 

He doesn't have enough saved in his piggy bank to pay for a postage stamp. ~ Chris

 

It just doesn't look like a normal 1909 V.D.P. in XF45ish condition....I have several and this looks much different. The rims on this compared to others is not even close. I could be wrong very easily.....but since ANACS is the only T.P.G. to grade several impaired Matte Proof Lincolns as low as PR50 (except for one 1916 PR58 graded by PCGS), I will start there. I will send this coin in my next submission batch to the boys in Colorado and I will let you know the results.