syntethic toning

I wonder if anyone ever tried this?

What would happen if you kept a few morgans in a canvas bag next to a window sill for the next 80 years would there be any toning?

And if someone told you that was the way they toned some coins would you still buy them?

Does the time it takes to artificially tone a coin have any added value?

My real question is: Is artificial toning looked down on even when it is done a hollistic non technical way?

I hope someone get me? LOL

 

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I don't think that would constitute AT , assisted toning maybe , I'd buy it if it wasn't that ugly black toning .
rzage

 

I can not see anything artificial about the process. I would buy them if they fit my need. If you soaked the bag with sulfur compounds before doing it, that would be AT. If AT took 10 yrs, almost no one would do it. Instant gratification usually requires the toning to be almost immediate, AT. On the opposite side of the coin, ,consider all of the "Blast white" silver coins of which probably 80% or more have been dipped in some way, but the majority are TPGed IMO.

Jim

 

So whats the most hollistic way of toning a morgan without damaging and not done overnight. Im ready to wait 50 yrs...Lol

 

Artificial toning is usually defined as the addition of chemicals or heat that a normal coin is not subject to with the intent to create color or toning. If you leave a coin in a cigar box for 10 years and it gets a deep golden brown tone, that should not be considered AT.

 

I never understood why it is acceptable to apply a chemical to remove toning but not acceptable to apply a chemical to induce toning. Seems very hypocritical to me. Thanks to desertgem for another outstanding post.

 

I think he was merely trying to explain the difference between AT and NT. Thats what I got out of it anyways.
Guy~

 

Actually Lehigh96 got it right. I do feel it is very hypocritical to accept dipping for the white coin but not to accept Borderline AT on the other side. Both are actions that affect the surface of the coin to enhance their selling appearance. But maybe that is just me. If you buy or sell coins, you must go with the marketplace flow. No offense to those who dip, as they walk a fine line to the luster-loss point where it becomes apparent , nor to the the AToners who also walk the fine line to the "unnatural color" point. If you don't reach those points, no one can tell, and most are happier.

Jim

 

I see nothing wrong in dipping a coin to make it look original again , or putting a coin in a Whitman folder to tone or any other natural way a coin tones , I do draw the line when chemicals are used to add a color that wasn't there in the first place , or anyways that almost instantly change a coins appearence .
rzage

 

I love those Whitman album coins! As I mentioned on another thread, I always check them at coin shows. But it usually takes decades for the toning to appear ( at least in my locale), so it would be a natural process.

But for argumentation, what if a person wrapped a morgan in blank newsprint ( the old fashion kind that turns yellow). I know that in my area if I miss a paper for a weekend, it will be yellow on the surface facing up. I also know that a coin so wrapped will produce toning within a couple of months ( again in my area), so is that AT? or NT?

Jim

 

Strictly speaking, that would be NT since people could presumably use newspaper as a cheap material to wrap coins to prevent dust and dirt buildup. No difference from putting it a brown enveope or cigar box.

 

That would be my thought also, as I still have some coins in those old coin envelopes some dealers use to send them in, and they were made of acidic paper then also. I might actually do this with more than just an bullion experiment, except I would probably forget where they were outside or throw them in the trash

Jim

 

That makes two of us, GDJMSP. Try proving/showing intent after the fact though.

 

Very noble idea but impossible to enforce. What's the difference between a housewife wrapping her late husband's coins in a napkin and a collector storing a coin in a older brown envelope (and getting a nice tone in either case). I don't like the color/tone of my Seated Dollar and I cracked it out of the holder and left it on my window sill, instead of the artificial airtight environment of a slab. What is more natural ?

 

I think anything that would happen in nature in a natural way is ok , chances are if you wrap a coin in paper it would tone , but how . In lovely rainbow colors , doubtful in most cases , or dark ugly toning being the likely case . I had a 20th century type coin display case made of cardboard , filled it with mostly MS to high AU coins after looking at it after a few years I noticed toning forning around a few of the coins . When I took them out to check them , most of the coins were toned a deep splotchy black , only 1 a Barber dime came out with to me a decent toning and that was dark with some greens and purple . Would I do that again to try and tone my coins , never .
rzage

 

I've heard Taco Bell Napkins give a nice tone but never tried it. Cigar boxes give a deeper brown/gold hue.

 

old furnace, damp basement, and yellow bug light

When we first moved into our house, we had an old furnace & a 1/2 finished damp basement bar. I placed my 20th century Whitman folder on the wall under a yellow bug-light. The coins kept me company for about 5 years in the 1/2 finished bar. Later, we got a new furnace, we finished the bar room & took the folder down from the wall. Here is the bright white 1989 quarter from the folder.

I’ve put other coins (in the same folder) on the wall since then. They remain bright white year after year. The combination of the old furnace, damp basement, and yellow bug light no longer exist.

Very best regards,
collect89

P.S. Only the obverse is toned like this. The reverse is really bright white. The coin is TPG MS67.

 

well this is a very intresting subject.

i was looking for a way to nt my coins a proven way(s).

and was wondering if they would gain some value if it was done right.

I was thinking of puttin some raw morgans in a cherry wood cigar box and seal it up for 5-8 yrs just to see what it happens. There must be more proven ways to this I bet. Thanks for all the insightfull comments guy/gals.

 

what would happen if you placed a silver coin under a flourecent light for a very long time i mean long enough to have to change bulbs and im talking hydroponic wattage?