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Supposedly... I have seen CAC stickered coins with staple scratches. It is not uncommon to see them on early federal, but I have seen scratches on a stickered commemorative. I wish I could find the image of the PCGS MS68 CAC Mercury Dime with the small staple scratch!

 

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Do not let the photo fool you. I posted this because I did not have a photo of this with the CAC sticker so you can all check the database at CAC.

Yes, the coin beaned at PCGS AU55. However, it earlier failed with the NGC AU58. Here is the coin history:

Bought 2/5/2011 - NGC 58

Sent to CAC 7/18/2012 - Failed

At some point prior to May 2014 sent to PCGS (crack out) - AU55

Sent to CAC (again) 7/5/2014 – received Green sticker

Sold 2/1/2019

I certainly noticed the scratches but the coin was just a “wow” coin. It was semi-prooflike to boot. It was one of the few I actually made money when I sold it and I paid a LOT for it too and...that was in a bad market for Bust Dimes. I didn’t make much on it but still it has been rare I actually make money back on a piece. The buyer was “wow”’d as well as I recall.

You just never know I guess. I often was able to talk to John when a coin failed to get a reason but not on the earlier submission. However, I can tell you with Bust material he fails coins not so much for too high a grade but for the "cleaned long ago, retoned" thing. But I guess the look of the coin overwhelmed the scratches on the 2nd resubmission.

jom

 

I like the coin, even with the scratches. I agree with the PCGS grade as well but heck, I still believe in the Easter Bunny!

 

Summary

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 4
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 3
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 2
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 1
Failed to sticker and should not sticker:
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:1
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

@Mainebill you are up
@jom is up after
@geekpryde is 3rd up
(Note: if someone isn't able to post or doesn't within ~1 day, then the person who is next can go ahead and post....the other person will just move back one place in line)

 

Ok ngc ms 66 brown.green gold or no

 

Green

 

Very nice clean large cent. The devices and fields are almost void of marks. Other than a couple very minor nicks in the obverse field to the right of the head, one on the neck and one above the T on the reverse, the coin is virtually spotless. I have very little experience with EAC but could see this with a green bean.

 

Based on the picture, I getting the feeling that the luster is weak. I had a 1/2 Cent that was MS 64 CAC with mediocre luster (by the photo I'm reminded of it) and it was a disappointing coin.
So while I can see there being a sticker, I would say:
No sticker

 

NO to 1851 cent

 

Green bean.

 

Green CAC

 

That's a tough one. I'll guess no-CAC due to it being an MS65 and not an MS66. The luster issue noted above.

jom

 

Any other opinions?

 

Yes, but not relevant to this thread

 

I'd say have at it....but that may not end up well for either of us

 

I've been absent from this thread for a spell (Yody Ho Visus?) but we's got to have a round of applause for DDDD for all the work he has devoted to this thread. The 'stats' are impeccably kept. Hat's off for the dear fellow, and friend.

 

I have a few more things to say before being banned from CT for life.

 

Yes! This and the star thread; very enlightening to me.