A Pair of Recent Acquisitions

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Bradley Trotter, Mar 15, 2020.

  1. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    To say the least, I cannot understate how enjoyable it is to collect ancient coins. I bought a pair of Roman antoniniani depicting Valerian I and Gallienus from the latter half of the 3rd century. Overall, both coins are quite indicative of the progressive decline in silver content that plagued the coinage of the period. Nonetheless, anyone should feel free to offer their insight as I remain new to this area of numismatics and history.

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    Gallienus I AR Antoninianus.jpg

    Gallienus
    AR Antoninianus
    260-268 AD
    OBV: GALLIENVS AVG
    REV: VIRTVS AVG
    Diameter: 19.4 mm
    Weight: 2.37 gr.
    RIC 534


    Valerian I Antoninianus.jpg
    Valerian I
    AR Antoninianus
    253-255 AD
    OBV:
    IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS P F AVG
    REV: FELICITAS AVGG
    Diameter:21.3 mm
    Weight: 3.71 gr.
    RIC 87
     
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  3. Cachecoins

    Cachecoins Historia Moneta

    Both are interesting emperors, father and son...unprecedented Valerian was captured and never to be seen again leaving Gallienus to deal with Postumus and all the other troubles in the empire at this time. Certainly by this time the quality of coinage was rather low and devaluation was pretty serious. An interesting fact is that the Gallic break away empire of this time under Postumus minted better, higher quality coinage in general (not to say there aren't fine quality coins of Gallienus). It very likely that this relatively strong break away empire acted as a buffer allowing Rome to survive a serious decline and serious threats from invaders.

    Antoninianus - IMP POSTUMUS
    (RIC 67)
    - Lugdunum Mint

    postumus.jpg

    The coin os the Lugdunum mint were generally of better quality than most others of this time. This one of only a few of my coins that is used on Wildwinds.

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  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    These coins certainly do show an interesting period in the progressive decline. They show just how little silver you can put in an alloy and still make a silver looking (sort of, maybe) coin. I don't know how many coins of these two emperors you eventually might want but I would suggest you look for a very early Valerian with good (by comparison) silver and a later (sole reign) Gallienus that shows how any silver appearance came to depend on an added silver wash. he set ould demonstrate the point well.

    Valerian early with better silver
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    Gallienus with part of the silver wash remaining
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    Gallienus once silvered but that is now lost
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Fun coins, @Bradley Trotter ! Your Gallienus VIRTVS coin reminds me of this one.

    A few years back, I caught the "Gallienus bug." I have several dozen of his coins and his coins are a specialist's dream -- they were made by several different mints, have several different reverse types, officina markings, and variations in bust type and obverse inscriptions. Moreover, most of them are inexpensive and can be acquired by any collector, not just the well-heeled.

    Moreover, in addition to Valerian I and Gallienus, their wives Mariniana and Cornelia Salonina appear on coins, as do Gallienus and Salonina's children, Valerian II and Saloninus. Many Gallienus collectors choose to collect the whole family.

    And if that weren't enough to satisfy, numerous cities in the Roman provinces issued coins with Valerian, Gallienus and their family members. There are hundreds of Roman provincial coins from this reign.

    I find there's a certain charm to the shoddy artistry and workmanship of the later years of his reign, when they were cranking out coins as fast as they could without much in the way of what we would call "quality control."

    This flan is pretty good by Gallienus' standards, LOL! And what's up with Felicitas' misshapen head? She looks like something out of the cantina on Mos Eisley. I do like the emperor's neck beard, though.

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    There's spaghetti-armed and pencil-necked Pax with her head off the raggedy flan ...

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    And this one's just a tad off center ...

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  6. Cachecoins

    Cachecoins Historia Moneta

    So true, here is one from my collection that is a particular favorite, something about it I find very attractive even though it's barely there :)

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    Don't forget his 'animal series' in honor of his legions :)

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    Second coin is not mine.
     
  7. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    ValerianAntVictory.jpg
    Valerian I. 253-260 AD. AR Antoninianus (25x20 mm, 3.64 gm, 12h). Rome mint. Struck 253-254 AD. Obv: IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS P F AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right. Rev: VICTORIA AVGG, Victory standing left, holding palm and shield. RIC 128; Cohen 224. Good silver.
     
  8. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    Those are some interesting coins. Despite the relative abundance of coins bearing the portrait of Gallienus, I find their crudeness, poor quality, and comical depictions part of the allure. Case in point, I bought another Gallienus Antoninianus a few days ago that embodies these aspects.

    Reverse

    Gallienus I Antoninianus.jpg

    Obverse

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  9. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    This Valerian I antoninianus, from about halfway through his reign, looks like it still might have some decent amount of silver content underneath whatever wash was applied:

    Valerian I, Silvered Billon Antoninianus, 257 AD, Milan Mint. Obv. Radiate, draped, cuirassed bust right, IMP VALERIANVS P AVG/ Rev. Virtus standing left, holding Victory with right hand and resting left hand on shield, with spear propped against left arm, VIRTVS AVGG. RIC V-1 266 var., Goebl 811d, Cunetio 770 (see https://tinyurl.com/qpb659c). 22.5 mm., 3.4 g.

    Valerian I - Virtus AVGG - jpg version.jpg

    This Gallienus "panther" antoninianus, with little or no silvering left, clearly does not.

    Gallienus, Billon Antoninianus, Rome Mint 267-268 AD. Obv. Radiate head right, GALLIENVS AVG /Rev. Panther walking left, LIBERO P CONS AVG; B or D in exergue. RIC V-1 230, RSC IV 586, Sear RCV III 10281. 19mm, 2.83g, 6h.

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  10. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    I like the Modigliani-style portrait on your new Gallienus! A nice acquisition.

    As others have already said, the fineness of coins drastically declined during the reigns of Valerian and Gallienus. Here are two coins by Gallienus' wife Salonina. The first one, showing Gallienus on the reverse, was struck from comparatively good billon, while the second one is basically just base metal.

    Rom – Salonina, Antoninian, Romae aeternae.png
    Salonina, Roman Empire, BI antoninian, 255–256 AD, Asian mint (Samosata or Antioch?). Obv: SALONINA AVG; bust of Salonina, diademed, draped, on crescent, r. Rev: ROMAE AETERNAE; Gallienus, standing r., receiving Victory from Roma, seated l., holding spear in l. hand. 21mm, 3.83g. Ref: RIC V Salonina 67.

    Rom – Salonina, Antoninian, Salus.png
    Salonina, Roman Empire, AE antoninian, 267 AD, Siscia mint. Obv: SALONINA AVG; bust of Salonina, diademed, draped, on crescent, r. Rev: SALVS AVG; Salus, draped, standing r., feeding serpent held in arms. 23mm, 2.83g Ref: RIC V Salonina (2) 88.
     
  11. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    SaloninaAnt-2.jpg
    Salonina. Augusta, 254-268 AD. AR Antoninianus (21mm, 4.10 gm, 7h). Rome mint. 1st-5th emission, circa 254-260 AD. Obv: Draped bust right, wearing stephane, set on crescent. Rev: Juno standing left, holding patera and scepter. RIC V 29 and 64; MIR 36, 227b; RSC 60. Good silver. Well struck for issue.
     
  12. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    In addition to Salonina, you might also want to add coins of Saloninus and Valerian II to round out the whole family.

    Saloninus (I just posted this on a different thread) . . .
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    Cologne mint
    Silver Double Denarius
    Obv: SALON VALERIANVS CAES
    Rev: SPES PVBLICA - Spes, walking left, holding flower and raising skirt
    RIC 13, var.
    22x20mm, 2.2g.

    . . . and Valerian II:
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    Silver Double Denarius
    Rome mint, A.D. 253-255
    Obv: P LIC VALERIANVS CAES
    Rev: IOVI CRESCENTI - Jupiter, as a child, riding, right, on goat
    RIC 13
    20x23 mm, 4.3g.
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Valerian II 1.jpg
    VALERIAN II
    AR Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: DIVO VALERIANO CAES - Radiate, draped bust right.
    REVERSE: CONSACRATIO - Valerian II riding eagle right, upwards
    Struck at Rome, 257-58 AD
    3.2g, 23mm
    RIC 9, S 3071
     
  14. Cachecoins

    Cachecoins Historia Moneta

    Hard to make out that reverse. :)
     
  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice pickups and welcom to fun world of Ancients, @Bradley Trotter ! Very cool.

    VALERIAN I
    RI Valerian I 253-260 CE AE 20mm Alexandria Troas mint Horse Grazing.jpg
    RI Valerian I 253-260 CE AE 20mm Alexandria Troas mint Horse Grazing


    GALLIENUS
    RI Gallienus 253-268 CE Ant Milan mint Laetitia.jpg
    RI Gallienus 253-268 CE Ant Milan mint Laetitia
     
  16. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the dark side!

    Third century antoninianii are a great place to get one's feet wet in ancients, as there is still relatively little demand for all but the most exceptional of specimens. Like many others, I have a decent collection of this dynasty (formally the first Licinius dynasty, or informally the Valerianic dynasty).

    Valerian I
    Valerian Fides Militvm.jpg

    His wife Mariniana (died before her husband's reign)
    Diva mariniana peacock.jpg

    Gallienus
    He can be broken up into his early, joint reign, 253-260
    Gallienus Germanicvs Max V.jpg

    Or his later, sole reign, 260-268
    Gallienus pax avg.jpg

    His wife Salonina
    Salonina Venus Felix.jpg

    Their eldest son, Valerian II (died 257)
    Valerian II IOVI CRESCENTI Jupiter on goat.jpg

    Curiously, even though both boys died young, only Valerian II was given consecration coinage... favorite child syndrome!
    Divus valerian ii eagle.jpg

    Saloninus, the younger brother (died 260)
    Saloninus ant priestly implements cologne.jpg

    They had a younger son, Quintus Julius Gallienus, who was possibly born in the purple and may have died in infancy - some believe the FECVNDITAS reverse of Salonina may celebrate this young life
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    The dynasty is also notable for producing the last bronze sestertii at Rome, although these are quite scarce and demand healthy premiums
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  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here's probably the best one seen...(not mine)

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  18. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Amazing how the portraiture degenerated into caricatures just a couple years into his reign. They had to crank out millions of antoniniani to try to prop up the economy, and the provincial bronze coinage also ceased.
     
  19. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    Gallienus & Virtus on a square-shaped Æ Sestertius:

    Sestertii, dupondii and Aes were issued in some quantity at first, however, during the end of the joint reign with the Antoninianus reduced to little more than a bronze coin, the production of Aes must have become less profitable and output declined accordingly. By 258 AD the issue of Aes had effectively ceased, however very small numbers were struck in the early years of his sole reign. Most sestertii exhibit squared and uneven edges. Gallienus invariably appears laureate on sestertii and aes, and radiate on dupondii. (The Monetary System of the Romans: A description of the Roman coinage from ...By Ian J. Sellars).

    Rome, 254 AD, 1st emission, struck under the authority of Valerian and Gallienus
    25 mm, 14.003 g
    Ref.: RIC V Gallienus (joint reign) 248; Sear 10495; MIR 36, 38bb;

    Ob.: IMP C P LIC GALLIENVS AVG, Laureate and cuirassed bust right
    Rev.: (VIRTVS) AVG[G], Soldier, helmeted, in military attire, standing left, holding spear in right hand and leaning on shield with left hand, S - C across field

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  20. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    My most recent acquisition, just because it is Augustus:):

    AE 24, Macedon, Amphipolis, 27 BC - 14 AD
    24.21 mm, 7.86 g
    Ref.: RPC I 1627; SNG Copenhagen 94; SNG ANS 157; Moushmov 6038; BMC 77; Varbanov 3120;

    Die adjustment marks.

    Ob.: ΑΜ(ΦΙ)ΠO-ΛΕΙΤΩΝ, draped bust of Artemis Tauropolis r. wearing stephane, with bow and quiver over shoulder; circle of dots
    Rev.: ΚΑΙΣΑΡ (ΣΕΒΑΣΤΟ)Σ, statue of Augustus in military dress raising arm, standing left on dais decorated with three bucrania, and being crowned by male figure wearing toga; circle of dots

    Some references say that the male figure is Genius Populi Romani crowning Augustus, other just say male figure crowning Augustus. Don't know why it could be Genius, so I just leave the description as male figure.

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