When damage actually is kind of neat

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by hotwheelsearl, Mar 14, 2020.

  1. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Most people prefer to purchase undamaged coins, whether that damaged happened in antiquity or more recently. It's just generally a bad look.

    But sometimes damage tells a story, and is actually pretty interesting. In my case, we have a Constantine I Silvered Follis with an ancient crack in the planchet that is actually quite revealing.

    As a silver washed coin, this was nowhere near pure silver; in fact it was mostly not silver. Think of those .100 Mexican pesos from the mid-60s (they were basically copper coins with a silver wash - remind you of anything from the ancient world?)

    This coin looks pretty decent for a washed coin. The silver wash is very intact and it looks pretty good. However, there is a small bit of corrosion peeking out from the crack, which betrays the coin as having a significant amount of non-silver metal, probably copper.

    Constantine I Silvered Follis. 325-326 AD (RIC 34)
    OBV: CONSTANTINVS AVG. Laureate head right.
    REV: PROVIDENTIAE AVGG. Campgate with two turrets. SMKB mintmark.
    Cost: $15.22
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    That's interesting, @hotwheelsearl . I like when coins shed light on the technical aspects of their manufacture.

    This post-abdication follis of Maximian Herculius has a bizarre flan flaw. The metal has been torn out on each side of the coin, leaving a pinhole through it that does not appear to be intentional. I suspect there was an issue when casting the flan before striking.

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    Maximian, post-abdication, AD 305-306
    Roman billon follis, 8.26 g, 25 mm, 1 h.
    Antioch, AD 305-306.
    Obv: D N MAXIMIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust, right, wearing consular robes and holding branch and mappa.
    Rev: PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, holding down-facing branch and resting on scepter; I in field between them, ANT: in exergue.
    Refs: RIC 77b, Cohen 489, RCV 13414.
     
  4. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    "Damage" pretty much describes the bulk of my collection, and so I find this to be a very interesting thread.

    Here is one of my favorites - a sestertius of Julia Mamaea with an enormous, presumably ancient, crack. So impressive, yet I didn't have to pay extra for it! :shame:

    Julia Mamaea - sest Vesta from Lot May 2018.jpg

    Julia Mamaea Æ Sestertius
    (Mother of Severus Alex.)
    (222-235 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    IVLIA MAMAEA AVGVSTA diademed & draped bust right / VESTA S-C, Vesta standing left, holding Palladium and scepter.
    RIC 708; Cohen 83; BMC 389
    (21.04 grams / 31 mm)
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My 'finest' damage resulted when someone dug out the countermark on this Stratinicaea of Septimius Severus and Julia Domna / Hekate.
    Normal
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    removed countermark
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  6. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    What an odd thing to do, to dig out a coutermark...
     
  7. Limes

    Limes Well-Known Member

    Cool coin @hotwheelsearl. The Vitellius below has a big cut on the obverse. Don't know if the cut is ancient though.

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  8. Cachecoins

    Cachecoins Historia Moneta

    The damage on this As of Claudius was interesting to me. The best I can ascertain is that it was possibly made because someone wore the coin on a necklace although the notches do not seem in any way new.

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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    This piece was worn in a setting. The only good thing is that the only damage was on the edge:
    ANONYMOUS_ROMAN_REPUBLICAN_3.jpg
    ANONYMOUS_ROMAN_REPUBLICAN_3_side_view-.jpg
     
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  10. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    When it comes to damage, I have so much to share!

    So when does wear become so awful that it becomes damage? I think this sestertius of Trajan may answer the question. A sestertius for $8.99 but nobody would bid on it! I don't know why.

    It has one thing going for it: it is very, very smooth.

    Trajan - Sestertius Victory w Trophy Mar 2020 (0).jpg

    Trajan Æ Sestertius
    (103-111 A.D.) Rome Mint

    [IMP CAES NERVAE T]RAIANO AVG GER D[AC PM TR P COS V PP], laureate bust right, slight drapery on far shoulder / [SPQR OPTIMO PRINCIPI], SC in ex., Victory standing left, erecting trophy against which two shields lean, and holding palm
    RIC 523; BMC 817.
    (22.08 grams / 31 mm)

    No, it's not better in hand...
     
  11. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Everybody's got some very "nice" coins here! Thanks so much for sharing. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who will accept damaged coins
     
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  12. SeptimusT

    SeptimusT Well-Known Member

    I've shown it before, but I still love this Roman Republican denarius which was surely once a necklace or some other sort of attachment. It looks like the hole was made to showcase the bust of Mars, maybe as an amulet; part of the bronze attachment that would've kept that side facing is still stuck on the coin. It was a heck of a bargain, but I'd still choose it over a 'perfect' specimen any day.

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    Q. Minucius Thermus
    Obverse
    : Head of Mars left, wearing crested helmet, ornamented with plume and annulet; remnants of bronze attachment around hole.
    Rev: Two warriors fighting; the left protects fallen comrade, the other wears a horned helmet; Q • THERM M F in exergue
    Minted at Rome in 103 BC, Crawford 319/1
     
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  13. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Nice one, SeptimusT - I also have a holed Republican denarius, with some "love token" style engraving as well:

    RR - Antestia Gragulus - 136 BC denarius holed my photos (0).jpg

    Roman Republic Denarius
    L. Antestius Gragulus
    (136 B.C.)

    Helmeted head of Roma rt; monogram XVI below chin, behind, GRAG / Jupiter in
    quadriga left w. thunderbolt; below, L·ANTES; ROMA in exergue.
    Antestia 9; BMC 4029; Syd. 451; Craw. 238/1

    On this coin, a new mark of denomination is used for the first time. Previous denarii had an X. The star shape on this and subsequent coins probably represents the numeral XVI as a monogram.

    Note: Holed with engraved CS on obverse right field; c. 18th-19th C. "love token."
     
  14. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    Pretty cool but looks like CP to me.
     
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  15. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    This coin has an unusual scalloped rim:

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    Bukhara city of Paykend/Paikend, circa 720-750s AD?, AE, 18mm, 1.31 g
    Obv: crowned facing head (Byzantine imitation?)
    Rev: "dancing man" tamgha.
    cf. Naymark, “Copper Coins of the Last Bukharkhudas”, ONS Journal 158, Winter 1998/9
    cf. Central Asia » Soghd » Bukhara 'Dancing man' tamgha

    This was minted in the part of the world that is now Uzbekistan.

    The edge scalloped and the coin holed, apparently in antiquity. I suspect to make the coin a tool, for example for pastry-decorating. Someone on Zeno suggested this was a tool to remove fleas from hair.

    There are Roman coins with similar edge markings, for example the coins in https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=254865
     
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