Another Fallen Horseman thread

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ken454, Mar 7, 2020.

  1. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    just showing off my new fallen horseman that came in mail this week. its an FH1. i now have 3 of the 4 types of horseman :). here it is... question: should i be worried about the green deposits on this coin? feel free to post your horseman, never get tired of seeing them, and if anyone has any type 4's, i'd like to see those.. thanks all.

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    Constantius II. AE2. Thessalonica mint. 348-350 AD.
    DN CONSTAN-TIVS PF AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right, holding globe / FEL TEMP RE-PARATIO, soldier spearing fallen horseman who is wearing a Phrygian helmet, slumped forwards on ground on hands and knees. Mintmark TS (delta) star (unlisted officina). R3 Scarce
    RIC VIII 115. 24mm 5.71g
    Falling Horseman type FH1

    my other 2..

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    Constantius II AE2. 348-350 AD. DN CONSTANTIVS PF AVG, diademed, draped, & cuirassed bust right, A behind / FEL TEMP RE-PARATIO, soldier spearing fallen horseman, who is sitting on ground, arms up. A in left field. Mintmark AQT dot. RIC VIII Aquileia 113/147. (113 and 147 are identical)
    25.8mm 6.0g
    Falling Horseman type FH2

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    Constantius II AE2, 348-350 AD
    DN CONSTAN-TIVS PF AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right
    FEL TEMP RE-PARATIO, soldier spearing fallen horseman who is
    bearded, wears cap, reaching backwards.
    Fallen Horseman type FH3
    Mintmark: SMNA; Gamma in left field.
    RIC VIII Nicomedia 84, rated C3
     
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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I consider that an FH4 since the horseman is not on the ground yet. On FH1, the head of the horse should be forward rather than tucked and the rider touches the ground in front of the horse than remaining on it. There are intermediates of all the types and versions like the FH2 'struggling to his feet' that I would have given a separate number. I will be interested in hearing Randy's take on this. He is our FH person.
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  4. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    oh ok, i see, i wondered about that, the rider on mine looked more like FH1, but i didn't think he was actually on the ground and did not notice the difference in the horses head when i was comparing mine to those pics on your site, but now that you pointed it out i can see the difference, cool thanks...
    now to recheck attribution, the one i have is from dealer which i did find on wildwinds..
     
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  5. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    KOINON II has a very generous article on the FH varieties.
     
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  6. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Hurray! I am so glad somebody started a Fallen Horseman thread - I just got my first one (that is not unidentifiable crud). It came in an unattributed lot and I had a heck of a time attributing it.

    Thanks to this thread, I can now say with shaky confidence that it is FH 3:

    Constantius II - Siscia FEL TEMP Lot Feb 2020 (0).jpg

    Constantius II Æ 17
    (c. 355-361 A.D.)
    Siscia Mint

    DN CONSTANTIVS PF AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust r. / FEL TEMPREPARATIO soldier spearing fallen horseman, bare-headed, reaching backwards, M in field; Gamma SISΔ in exergue.
    RIC VIII Siscia 372.
    (2.27 grams / 17 mm)
     
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  7. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Just keep the coin quarantined from others to prevent spreading. But it's not really a big deal.
     
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  8. Tony1982

    Tony1982 Well-Known Member

    CONSTANTIUS II Æ c343-350 Alexandria mint- not sure which FH variety though 28C27BFF-459B-4D3E-B55F-B4AEEC3FA68F.jpeg
     
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    FH3 'reaching' - the horseman turns and fends off the soldier with one arm
     
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  10. Tony1982

    Tony1982 Well-Known Member

    Thanks , alaways nice to have the correct info !
     
  11. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    No. It just normal patina. Definitely not bronze disease. Enjoy your beautiful new coin.
     
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  12. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    update: i sent a note and pics of my coin to Dane at Helvetica who is the administrator of Wildwinds.com. because i could not match it up on her xls fallen horseman files from the Helvetica site. she confirmed the mint mark as TS delta star and here is the correct attribution,

    Constantius II,
    DN CONSTAN-TIVS PF AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right,
    holding globe.
    FEL TEMP RE-PARATIO, soldier spearing fallen horseman who is wearing a
    Phrygian helmet, slumped forwards, clutching horse's neck, close to the ground.
    Mintmark TS delta star
    RIC VIII Thessalonica 115.
    Scarce.

    this (my) coin is now listed on Wildwinds.... :D
     
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