Assistance with Attribution, Please

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by kevin McGonigal, Mar 5, 2020.

  1. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    I need some help with these coins. They are not mine. I was asked by a third party about them. The one in the red folder is obviously a tremissis of Justinian. One of the gold coins is, I think, a ducat of Hungary (St Stephen). I have no weights on them. The small copper is a lepton or prutah. I know nothing about them except that it is perhaps an example of a widow's mite. The one that most intrigues me is the large gold with Zeus on the obverse with the letter alpha at nine o'clock. On the reverse is a scrawny eagle reminiscent of something Ptolemaic or maybe Phoenician (Tyre?) The Greek letters are alpha, pi, epsilon, iota,? o the left and to the right are rho, omega, tau, alpha, nu. My friend tells me it weighs in at a bot more than 10 grams which does not fit the usual Greel stater weight. The reverse also shows what seems to be corrosion, something not normally seen on a gold coin. I have some doubts about the authenticity of this last coin. Ant information on this last coin, and the others you can add, appreciated. Thanks IMG_1324[4815]sater and tremissis.jpg IMG_1325[4813]tremissis and stater.jpg
     
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  3. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    The bronze coin is a prutah of the Judaean king Herod Agrippa I, 37-44 AD. One of the more common issues from 1st century Judaea, but still popular because he is mentioned extensively as a nemesis of early Christians throughout the Book of Acts. It should be inexpensive in this condition, I'd say no more than $25
     
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  4. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that. By the way the gold ducat I just discovered for my self is not Hungarian but French from the City of Metz, about 1600 and it is of the ducat/florin weight scale. it is really the Greek gold that has me stumped.
     
  5. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    It looks Seleucid--APEI[?]RUTAN? Makes no sense to me, but I don't know Seleucid coins very well. Also, it looks plated rather than solid gold. Is that corrosion under a thin layer of gold on the top of the reverse?
     
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  6. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Here's one (Epirus) that looks similar for Zeus gold (5.28 g)
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=142228
    Epirote Republic Halfstater 238/168 BC.
    Obv. Head of Zeus of Dodonaeus with oak-wreath to r., monogram, behind.
    Rev. AΠΕΙ − ΡΩΤΑΝ Eagle to r. in oak-wreath
     
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  7. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Is the one linked to gold or silver?
     
  8. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Not clear - but looking at price and others with same reference - silver.
     
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  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Next question: how confident are we of the prutah's legitimacy? Again, I don't know these coins well, but the few I've seen tend to have edges that are more jagged.
     
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  10. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    With no judgement on the coin above - here's another example:
    Judae Agrippa I prutah.jpg
    Judaea, Herodian Kingdom, Agrippa I, AD 37-44, AE prutah
    Jerusalem mint, struck AD 41-42
    Obv: BACIΛEΩC AΓPIΠA, umbrella
    Rev: Three ears of barley, flanked by L-ς
    Ref: Hendin 1244
     
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  11. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Thanks. Armed with this information I should be able to narrow it down
     
  12. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Considering that a noted online coin forum is selling prutahs in pretty nice consition, similar in appearance, in batches of 25 for $10-$12 I doubt that the gentleman's is a copy.
     
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