1898 Morgan, MS or cleaned?

Not my coin, but I'm curious what you think. The seller listed it as "luster, cartwheels, UNC"

@physics-fan3.14 @micbraun

 

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I'm in the dipped column.

 

Cleaned there does appear to be hairlines in the fields.

 

I agree it looks dipped... just wanted to be sure before reporting the seller.

 

Cleaned. I don’t think there’s enough luster left for a straight grade. Why is there a need to report the listing?

 

Improperly cleaned, dipped too much/too long. I don't think the title is misleading enough to have the listing removed unfortunately.

 

When I zoom in, it looks like somebody used a smudge brush on the picture in front of Liberty's face in an attempt to smooth some hairlines.

 

Because he's advertising them as mint state with luster. I'm concerned that he's dipping his coins and listing them.

 

These are all coins listed by the same seller, but not listed as mint state...


I think @GDJMSP and @desertgem are probably the two most knowledgeable on what dip does to coins. Do these look dipped to you?

 

Glares, unfocused, at an angle.... I simply move on from sellers with garbage pics like that.

 

Photos aren’t good enough to tell.

 

My first thought also.
Yeah, they look like the surfaces are altered somehow, but he may just not know how to take photos.

 

That's what I was thinking. The coins might look better in hand, but the pics aren't good enough for me to buy based on them.

 

Dipped / Dipped with residue and more dipping
MS could be ,, would they grade possibly
Is it against ebay policy no
Are they worth buying .. up to you / ME no
Have a good day

 

I wanted to come in and say "nope, you're wrong," but I went through eBay's listing policies and could not find anywhere it says you can't sell a cleaned coin as MS. If you bought that coin described as MS, and found it was cleaned, you can file a SNAD claim because the coin is damaged, but nothing prohibits listing it that way in the first place. That's kind of screwed up, if you ask me.

 

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Luster is kind of subjective and maybe the coins do have some remaining luster. Who knows.

 

Thank you everyone for your input. I apologize for not clarifying that this isn't an ebay listing, but one from a smaller group of folks that has a much larger admin to seller ratio. I think the seller is being dishonest and his posts should be scrutinized. Unfortunately, the photos are just bad enough, that I can't make a 100% determination. I agree with @GDJMSP that a good number of older coins are cleaned, and I also consider dip to be a manner of cleaning. The issue is these seem recently dipped, and if not properly dealt with (which I believe I see residue on some of the others), they'll only get uglier. I've alerted an admin that I believe the coins have been dipped and sold as UNC; the admin said they would look more into it. That's all I can ask.

 

Sorry, not taking that bait. Your eyes and my eyes are irrelevant. You and I both know that "cleaned" in current hobby terminology means "harshly cleaned," and the result is a damaged coin. "Dipping," or "chemical cleaning" is regarded as acceptable, and not considered "cleaned" or damaged.

This is my final word on the subject here.