Need help getting an auction pulled!!!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by tdec1000, Aug 22, 2008.

  1. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    Look at this coin that this guy is selling, first off it is a STRIKE DOUBLE not a DDO like he is listing. Also he is saying this coin is 50x more valuable that the 55 ddo. what a joke. I can't remember where the link was for the coin violations on ebay.
     
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  3. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    What's the link ? to his auction .
    rzage
     
  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

  5. snaz

    snaz Registry fever

    yah man, get the link so we can check it out
     
  6. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

  7. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    Isn't strike doubling considered damage?
     
  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Nope, no more than partial collars, capped dies, etc.
    It's a Mint produced error.
    It's just that mechanical doubling is generally considered to render a coin worth less than a properly struck coin.

    Now for the coin itself.

    PCI is/was a reasonably conscientious TPG, and they did their part correctly, at least with regards to the doubling. No fault on their part.

    But the seller ... well.

    "The specimen is an early version of the very famous DDO variety."

    WRONG!!!
    (And I tend to believe he knows that.)

    "On the slab it has been specified as a "Doubled Strike" which is actually twice as rare as the full DDO variety."

    Show me where this is documented.

    "Also, the coin is about 60 times as rare as the 1955 DDO Variety."

    Again, show me where this is documented.
    In fact logic shows that according to these numbers a "full DDO variety" is 30 times rarer than the "1955 DDO Variety."

    And no way you can get a good look at that coin with those images.

    I better quickly sell my 1955 DDO while the price is high, and buy a 1970-S DDO while the price is low.
    Hope no one else finds out about this. :rolleyes:
     
  9. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Other evidence that the seller knows he's lying.
    It's a one day auction.
    A one day auction is rarely used except by people trying to deceive.
    Trying to get in and out before anything can be done about it.
    And on a weekend when I (and the seller) suspects that eBay is less than fully manned.

    BTW, I reported it.
    Now let's see what eBay does.

    I suggest others report it too.
    It often takes more than one report for eBay to act.
     
  10. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    I don't understand these sellers who are trying to sell these coins and give us such a horrible picture. I like how this guy describes his product, "If not for a few scattered marks and blemishes the coin could grade MS-66."
    That describes most the coins that I have.
     
  11. Aberlight

    Aberlight New Member

    Whats the difference in a Double Die and Strike Double?
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not exactly sure what tdec was trying to say, but the correct terms are - doubled die, double struck and strike doubling - all three are quite different and distinct.

    A doubled die occurs during the hubbing process.

    A double struck coin is a coin that is struck twice.

    Strike doubling is what happens when the die moves slightly during the striking process resulting in part of the coin design being shifted slightly so that it looks like it was doubled.
     
  13. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Still and active auction.
     
  14. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I went to the link rimscents gave but I don't know what to pick to report it , any help appreciated .
    rzage
     
  15. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D


    What I am trying to say GD is that he is offering a plain jane strike doubled Lincoln as a DDO. I know the difference between strike doubling, double struck and doubled die. I guess I am also trying to say that a lot of folks searching the bay don't quite know the difference or just see a slabbed coin from a guy that is offering it as something rare and trying to decieve someone.

    That is like if I was to get a 55 Poormans doubled die slabbed by PCI when they were around and offer it up as the real KING 55 DDO with crap pictures intended to commit fraud.
     
  16. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    I wonder where he's getting his information? 60 times as rare as the 1955 DDO Variety. What a joke. Of course the bidding will tell whether smart buyers are bidding, at least for the slab.
     
  17. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Still active with about 2½ hours left.
    BUT
    The two bidders are not newbies, so I guess they know what they're doing.
     
  18. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Well the bidding ended. Poor seller lost a bundle on this auction.
     
  19. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I would have gave about $10 for it but only because of the old PCI slab. Don't think the seller fooled anyone. I'm guessing the buyer just wanted the slab as well.
     
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