OK, you stand by its authenticity. Great. So that makes it an authentic what? Whether I or anyone else was able to find your particular coin type in a book or not has nothing to do with the continuing concerns regarding authenticity that I have. None the less, I'm sure that bidders on ebay will bid with 100% confidence given that you are standing by its authenticity and presumably would provide 100% refund if subsequently found to be a fake? Ian
I would not say it is authentic either way. I would say it is a 1/12th ecu coin but can not find anymore info on it and if someone out there can help me reference it to please email me. I have no intention of selling it, sir.
I've already said this, but i'll say it again in any event. The probabilities of finding anyone who can `authenticate' that coin from the image provided are next to none. Indeed from the image provided (IMHO) there are more indications there that say to me that it is suspect than there are to substantiate it as `authentic'. Sure, i've only studied french coins for a mere fifteen years or so, so there's definitely others out there who know much much more than me. If you can find an expert on French coins over on your side of the pond who you can pass it over to (whether you want to pay for their services or not), they may better inform you once they have seen it in the flesh. As it is, that is about the only way for you to be sure one way or another.
Uh huh...well maybe I can find an expert in France or somewhere who is truly an expert in French coins of centuries past who would identify it beyond a resonable doubt. I'm talking about the Holy Grail of knowledge with French coins. Perhaps I could send them a good scan through email.
If you find such an individual, I supspect they still won't tell you what you particularly want to hear, but do keep us informed of your progress in any event. Until then, au revoir, et bon chance!
If I had a coin worth millions of dollars, I’d probably invest a few bucks and send it over to NGC or ANACS for authentication and evaluation. Just sayin’.
Well if the people use the same resources as your average person than how would they be able to identify it any better? Since the people on here can't identify it than I am quite sure the grading services would send it back with a note saying "Unidentifyable" and take my money.
Send it back with a note saying unidentifiable ?? - aint gonna happen. They don't DO that. Send it back with a note saying counterfeit - now THAT they do. Not that it would matter much as you would still believe what you WANT to believe.
Well I know they wouldn't in their right mind send it back as counterfeit. They would see it is clearly made over an older coin. I stand by that in point of fact.
NOS - I guess you don't understand this point; just because it is struck on an older coin does not make it a genuine issue. We don't even know if the older coin was genuine. Even if the older coin was genuine - that doesn't make the overstrike genuine. You see, at that point in time, the money in France was being revalued. And because of this new designs were being issued. So it was quite easy and highly profitable for the counterfeiters to use old counterfeit coins, overstrike them and pass them off as genuine new designs. All the designs had to be was close to looking like the new coins because the people were not yet familiar with them. That's exactly what you have there - something that looks close to what it is supposed to look like. But that's all.
Oh so now you're reverting to being pesimistically negative and for the record you are saying 100% that it is entirely without reasonable doubt that it is a fake when you say "that's exactly what you have there"???
No - I've always said it was possible it was genuine, but it is highly improbable. In my honest opinion, I'd say the odds are 1000 to 1 against that coin being genuine. When you first posted about this - you didn't even know what it was. The only information you know about this coin is what you have been told here on this forum. But yet you choose to select from that information the bits and pieces that allow you to believe what you want to believe instead of giving all of the information honest consideration. But that's OK - believe what you want. The only reason I am here is to help those who seek information and knowledge. Well that and because I enjoy doing it. I learned many, many years ago that most people will only believe what they want to believe. So I should know better than to try and convince someone otherwise. All I can do is share what I know or what I can look up in my library. After that - it's up to you.
See you are wrong about what I knew of it sir. I knew it was a 4 sols coin as the holder indicated. Now I "know" it is a 1/12 ecu coin. I am gonna find the post of yours where you talk about how poor the French records were back then. I'm gonna do it.
1700s is not remotely "ancient". BTW, you did not know it as a 4 sols coin. You believed that it was. Do not confuse fact with opinion.
Well I was not referring to the 1700s as ancient at all. What I meant was I need to find someone who is very old and who has been collecting French coins for a good 60 years. That is the context I meant when I said ancient.
