1887P Morgan- VAM3A-Elite Super Clashed Die Morgan

Just got this 1887P Morgan yesterday.

Could this make it as a MS65PL?

Appreciate a grade.

It does have 2 noticable dings- one by the U in United and one on the reverse, in one of the olive leaves, it looks like it took a hit with something? but other than those 2 things , I cant find much bad about it.

It has beautiful hourglass reflection under minimum light- Obv & Rev.

Thanks
Chuck.

 

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My mistake- the U in Pluribus, not United.

 

It looks to me like it has been circulated. I haven't examined many PL but I don't think this would get that rating. IMHO. From your pic of the date, I don't see it being a VAM 3 or 3A either. Your lighting is hiding where the double should be in the 1 and 7. It does show what looks like a double clashed 'T' but without seeing the mid neck (where the N should be clashed) and the space below the E/T is states and above the D/W in god we on the reverse (where the M should be clashed) it's hard to call the VAM. Overall, if I had to grade the coin just by the pics, I would say AU.

 

Thanks for your response.

Here are some other pictures- the last 2 are from a NGC MS66 VAM 3A selling on ebay right now for $499.99

* Note the indentical die clash marks also on the Obverse and Reverse of both coins-* especially the lip area and wreaths etc.

I could not figure out the Vam on my coin, so I sent pictures of it to Mr Jack Lee
(Vam World)for his personal attribution on this coin- the coin is definitely a 1887P VAM3A- per Mr Jack Lee.

I believe my coin is a LDS not EDS- the EDS shows a weak shallow N and a partial m on the Reverse- the LDS only shows a "Double T" by the VEE, that's why you cannot see the n or m- its not there but the "Double T" in trust is as is all the various die clashes thus making it a Super CD!



Hope these new pictures will help convince you.

Regarding grade- thanks for your opinion, but I respectfully dis-agree- this coin is not an AU Grade coin at all- its at least no lower than MS63 and possibly as high as a MS65- ( Upon further examining the coin, I do agree-It's not a PL)

It is very hard to grade just from pictures so again I thank you for your grading opinion and for responding.

 

those last two pics look like you just used MS Picture Manager and turned the saturation way down. takes away from the reality of the coin.

 

I posted those last two pictures separately- from off of the Ebay site.

I edited NOTHING!

As for appearances, thats how they look on E-Bay- not my pictures.

 

I can't find anything to dispute the VAM, but from the very first picture you posted it looks to me like there is way to many contact marks, gouges, and high point wear to call it MS. I am by no means an expert, this is just my opinion. AU-58.

 

Same here, I am no grading expert!

Your opinion is welcomed, as I stated earlier, I just respectfully disagree. Obverse with the blemishes etc on the face MS63, Reverse a very strong MS65 grade. (IMHO)

As the saying goes- we'll have to agree to dis-agree (LOL)
Again, hard to judge by pictures, if you could see the actual coin you might change your mind.

Thanks again for your response- appreciate it.

* I'm more happy about the coin being a Vam3A- worth much more than just a regular 1887P- no matter what the grade.*

 

Well, when you get the coin please post some clearer pics. I'd have to agree, it's nowhere near MS65 as well as PL. I say this because the reverse looks either very worn or the pics are not showing any detail whatsoever in the breast area of the eagle. The obverse in my opinion would grade probably MS 62.
Guy~

 

Thanks for your response

Using your grade, its still an MS graded coin- not AU.

As I mentioned earlier- the value of this coin is the VAM not so much the grade- lower end MS 1887P's are relatively low in value anyway, but try getting a 3A for the same price as a regular 87.

Thats the difference as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks again.

 

I agree that the reverse is very nice, though. Obverse will unfortunately limit the grade. I have an 1899 morgan with an MS-65+++ reverse and a banged up obverse.