I would rather get raw graded CNG/ European ancients/ medieval coins anyday. Its also cheaper, the NGC GEM 5/5 5/5 coins =European Mintstate grade. In US auctions the slabbed Gems go for astronomical prices/ even common Byzantine solidi. One nice thing about TPG slabs/ they list all flaws as details....ie: smoothing/ tooling/ brushing/ cleaning/ hairlines/ polishing etc. John