The classic definition of a cud requires the break start at the rim. HOWEVER I’ve read several articles saying that it’s not necessary and a break in the middle of a coin is basically the same thing and gets the same label. Also the most coin knowledgeable person I know says the same thing. Whats the consensus here?
A break that does not involve the rim is a die chip. http://www.error-ref.com/die-chips/ A break that involves the rim and goes inwards is a cud. http://www.error-ref.com/cuds/ Two separate things.
Some early published stuff would call a chip a cud. Over the years the rules were set that a cud must include the rims of the coin. Anyone using the wrong term today should be hung.
If you get a hanging for that, I'd really hate to see what happens if you say double die instead of doubled!
That is nonsense. They are numerous types of breaks but a Cud is totally different and it requires a rim on a planchet.
One way to think of the difference is to take a hammer a whack a big rock. If you break a chunk off of the rock, that would be a cud. If you just make a mark, that would be a chip. If the chunk that you break off is still with the rock and will take another whack or two to bust it off, that would be a retained cud.
Cud is actually a slang term for a specific type of die break, one that includes the edge of the die, A die break that doesn't include the edge is a die break. A die break that does include the edge is still a die break, but is called a cud. And I classify cuds as coming in three types, rim cuds, field cuds, and design cuds. A rim cud is confined to just the rim area. A field cud encompases the edge of the die face but does not contact any of the lettering or design. And a design cud contacts the edge of the die face, die field and contacts the lettering or design. Here is the fun part, a field or design cud may or may not include the rim, but typically they do.
Well here is one source. I’ve read it on several sources and was told this by the buyer at our largest coin dealer where I live.
Did I read your response wrong or did you just say a cud must start at the rim BUT a field “cud” may not include the rim... and IS a cud?????? No wonder I still can’t get this down straight. Lol.
Try reading material from people that deal in coins. The Spruce Crafts is not a coin company. They feel in crafts and hobbies. You need to educate yourself from Numismatic News, Coin World and the like. The term Cud was first used in the 1960's and it applies to a die crack on the edge of a coin. A cud occurs when a piece of the edge falls off. It's really quite simple so also educate yourself on how coins are made. Best wishes.
The picture shown is definitely a cud. Anything that looks like a die chip not involving the edge is not a cud.. Very simple.
You will note I said edge of the die face. and I said a field or design cud may or may not include the rim, but that they usually do. It all depends on where and how the die breaks.
