1836 capped bust half dime large 5C

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  1. deadmancoins

    deadmancoins Member

    Hey, just wondering what your opinion may be on this grade. I’m around XF personally. Obverse is tricky though. Reverse looks AU, obverse more questionable.
     

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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    To me it looks like it's been cleaned so I doubt it would straight grade. I'd place this more in Fine grade but I'd also pass on it due to the circulation damage.

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  4. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    XF40 cleaned
     
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  5. deadmancoins

    deadmancoins Member

    Thanks to both of you! I need to learn how to better spot a cleaned coin
     
  6. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Sometimes a cleaning looks worse in a photo than in hand. Sometimes a pic can really bring out the hairlines.
     
  7. deadmancoins

    deadmancoins Member

    I noticed that this evening. The pictures never turned out quite right which let me down! I think I should focus on a series instead of jumping around.
     
  8. ewomack

    ewomack 魚の下着

    Sadly, sometimes the only way to learn is to make some mistakes. It's the painful way, but it definitely sticks.

    I've bought a few cleaned or problem coins over the years that, in retrospect, seemed priced suspiciously low. One I didn't know was cleaned until I put it under a scope years later. I've learned slowly and painfully, but I've learned.
     
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  9. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    AU details-cleaned. I'm no expert but on looking a little closer IMO it looks like it could be a counterfeit.
     
  10. deadmancoins

    deadmancoins Member

    Oh man, what makes you say that? The hibid auction place I got it at seemed shady for sure. Ugh
     
  11. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I wouldn't mind seeing a couple more pictures with different lighting, might get you some more opinions.
     
  12. deadmancoins

    deadmancoins Member

    Ok, I’ll take some more pictures tomorrow during the day. This is from the same auction house, a separate 1833 Bust Dime.
    Im sure it was cleaned too, but are they counterfeit? I appreciate the input, even if it’s depressing!

    I felt this may have been VF/XF too (if not counterfeit)
     

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  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Looks real to me but definitely cleaned.
     
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  14. deadmancoins

    deadmancoins Member

    Thanks for the input. I’m sure I’ll eventually figure out the cleaning thing! Just have to pay more attention to it.
     
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  15. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Yes it takes study and practice. Practice rotating and tilting a coin under a good light (like a desk lamp with an incandescent bulb) to look for hairlines. Learn what is acceptable as circulation marks vs. cleaning scratches. Coins like we are looking at here, with age and circulation on them, should generally have a "skin" on them, and some dirt and gunk in the recesses, not super clean or shiny surfaces.
     
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  16. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It does take time to learn and even experienced collectors and dealers still get it wrong at times.
     
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  17. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    Nah, just learn from this and look at a few examples that you know are nice before you buy one. Do some research before you buy the coin, and you’ll make fewer mistakes.

    Notice that I said fewer. Everyone makes mistakes, especially in this hobby.
     
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  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Isn't this the truth!
     
  19. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    The 1833 Bust dime looks better. Maybe it's the photos of the Half Dime that made it look funny to me. I'm Not an expert on counterfeits. Contact @Jack D. Young for his opinion. He's an expert in this area.
     
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