Just added a Dattari plate coin

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Feb 9, 2020.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I saw this and it had no bids so...

    I really liked the portrait.

    Show us your plate coins.

    Egypt, Alexandria. Dattari. Vespasian, 69-79 Tetradrachm 1 July-28 August 69 (year 1), billon 24.5mm., 11.95g. Laureate head r.; in front, LA. Rev. ΕΙΡΗΝΗ Eireine standing, l., with corn-ears and caduceus. RPC 2401). Geissen 266. Dattari-Savio Pl. 13, 6688 (this coin).

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  3. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Nice pick up
     
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  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I don't have any plate coins. But I just wanted to say that I really like this portrait. Makes Vespasian look more regal and less portly.
     
  5. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    great find
     
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  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice. I've got a Vespasian tet as well...

    Vespasian (A.D. 69-79) Billon Tetradrachm of Alexandria, Egypt. 26mm 11.98 grams

    Obverse: Laureate bust right, LB in front (Year 2, 69-70 A.D.)

    AYTOK KAIΣ ΣEBA OYVEΣΠAΣIANOY

    Reverse: Nike Advancing Left, holding wreath and palm branch

    Reference: RPC 2412, Koln 276, Milne 393, BMCGr 236, Emmet 205.2, Dattari 360

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  7. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Congratulations with rare coins!
    There were some tough bidding rounds on that part of the auction for sure.
    I watched with awe and popcorn as the plate coins and unique coins went by, while waiting to snipe a few of the later coins myself. I was very happy with my winning bids, but no plate coins or especially splendid coins for me.
     
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  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Yep, the unique and rare Alexandrians always bring more bidders than I'd like. I bid hard for one such tet but didn't come close. A couple others will be coming home to me though :).
     
  9. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Congrats, @Orfew, a nice coin! No plate coin for me today, I watched in awe at some of the prices - here's one from an earlier auction:
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    Egypt, Alexandria, Diocletian, AD 284-305, BI Tetradrachm c. AD 289-290 (year 6)
    Obv: A K Γ OΥAΛ ΔIOKΛHTIANOC CEB Laureate head right
    Rev: Eirene standing left, holding olive-branch and sceptre; in field, S-L
    Size: 17.8mm, 6.77g
    Ref: Dattari-Savio Pl. 282, 10638 (this coin). From the Dattari collection.
     
  10. Shea19

    Shea19 Well-Known Member

    Great pickup @Orfew ! I agree, some very high closing prices, I got shut out today. I put in (what I thought was) a very strong bid for a spectacular Lucius Verus tet, but I wasn’t even close.

    Anyways, here is my only Dattari plate coin.
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    Commodus, Alexandria, BI Tetradrachm,(24.2mm., 10.19g), circa 183-185 (RY 24 of Marcus Aurelius), Laureate head of Commodus right/ Rev. Commodus, in priestly attire, standing left before bust of Serapis set on low cippus, sacrificing and dropping incense over lighted altar, L-K-Δ. RPC Online 16005, Dattari-Savio Pl. 207, 9553 (this coin)
    From the Dattari Collection.
     
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  11. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Looking forward to see you posting them here then :)

    I was totally bottom-feeding. Every time I was the highest bidder, I though «oh, no, why did I buy that coin...», but in the end I felt very accepting and happy with my new coins.
     
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  12. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Congrats, great looking coin with nice surfaces. I think it is the same make and model as mine. :D Tet.jpg
    Vespasian Alexandria Tet, LA 69 AD later part of 69 AD, RPC 2401, 12.9gm.
     
  13. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice adoption, Orfew. I missed my ex Dattari target yesterday, but happily, someone else here picked it up. :) Of the 13,000+ coins illustrated in Dattari-Savio, how many I wonder are now owned by CoinTalkers. Still not enough to make a ripple in the proverbial ocean, I bet! Here are two ex Dattari drachms I haven't shown before.

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    HADRIAN
    AE Drachm. 25.1g, 33.7mm. EGYPT, Alexandria, RY 21 (AD 136/7). Emmett -; Dattari 1831; Dattari-Savio pl. 12, 126 (this coin); RPC 6193 (6 spec; this coin cited). O: Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right. R: K-A L, Sarapis seated left on throne, holding sceptre and placing hand over head of Kerberos standing before him at his feet.
    Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago (1980.980); Ex Dattari Collection


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    ANTONINUS PIUS
    AE Drachm. 25.29g, 35mm. EGYPT, Alexandria, RY 4 (AD 140/1). Emmett 1617 (unlisted for this date); Dattari-Savio pl. 139, 8615 (this coin); RPC Online temp #15523 (this coin referenced). O: Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right. R: Nilus seated left, on rocks upon which crocodile climbs, holding reed and cornucopiae; L Δ in upper field.
    Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago (1981.444); Ex Dattari Collection
     
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  14. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    A very nice target of opportunity, @Orfew! I definitely see the appeal of the portrait.

    Erm, that would be me I believe. :shy: I was happy to learn I didn't outbid you directly and it was some other underbidder I stepped on!

    Contemporary counterfeits of Roman provincials from Alexandria are extremely rare, and have fetched high prices in CNG auctions. (Actually it was one of these that @TIF was famously Clio'd on.)

    There were four(!) Alexandrian counterfeits in the auction that are also Dattari plate coins, and certainly from the Luxor hoard Newell found in 1908. I accidentally ended up with two. Let's talk, Z? ;)

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    Egypt, Alexandria. Dattari. Nero, 54-68 Tetradrachm circa 64-65 (year 11), contemporary counterfeit produced at the time of Hadrian. 24mm., 12.48g. Radiate bust r., wearing aegis. Rev. AYTOKPA Eagle standing l. on thunderbolt, palm over far wing; in l. field, LIA. RPC 5283. Dattari-Savio Pl. 316, 44 (this coin). From the 1908 Luxor hoard.


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    Egypt, Alexandria. Dattari. Nero, 54-68 Tetradrachm circa 67-68 (year 14), contemporary counterfeit produced at the time of Hadrian. 24mm., 13.02g. Radiate head l.; in front, LIΔ. Rev. Radiate head of Augustus r. RPC -. Dattari-Savio Pl. 318, 71 (this coin). From the 1908 Luxor hoard.
     
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  15. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    This one is the plate coin in Lindgren:

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  16. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Very nice Andrew! And a great coin to boot!

    I have a few 'plate coins', this is one of my favourites. The RIC 49 plate coin.

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    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.08g
    Rome mint, 71 AD
    Obv: IMP CAES VE-SP AVG P M; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: No legend. Vespasian laureate, standing in triumphal quadriga r., horses pacing, holding branch in r. hand and sceptre in l.
    RIC 49 (R2), this coin. BMC p. 14 note. RSC 643 var. BNC -.
    Acquired from Ephesus Numismatics, December 2005.
     
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  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    We have shown Dattari coins before and I have added no new ones. However I have subtracted one. I was in denial about my Julia Domna being a fake and that denial was made worse by the fact that it was a match to the pencil rubbing in Dattari Savio. It all came crashing down when CNG sold the mother coin. In all honesty I can not prove which was used to make the D-S rubbing but only the top coin below (white background) is genuine. The dealer I got it from is dead. I do not know if he was fooled or a crook but it makes no difference.
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  18. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    This is my only Datarri Coin Hadrian Ae drachm Alexandria Mint Rv Nilus seated on a crocodile (ouch) RPC 5791.68 This coin referenced Datarri 1794 131-132 A.D. 25.83 grms 34 mm Recently acquired at the 2020 NYINC 5993519.jpg
     
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  19. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    The coin is totally animal-friendly. Nilus is actually seated on some rocks, and not the crocodile. The crocodile is climbing up the rocks beside him. It looks reasonably well-fed.
     
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  20. Broucheion

    Broucheion Well-Known Member

    And that would be me :( . But enjoy the coins!

    - Broucheion
     
  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Super find, @Orfew !

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    RI Alexandria Livia, w Augustus Diobol CE 1-2 Æ 23.5mm 7.46g. Rev. Athena holding Nike Sheild ex Dattari-Savio Pl. 3 60-this coin RPC pag. 692-5-this coin
     
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