1806 1/2 cent C-4

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  1. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    This little addition just arrived in the mail today. I had a few minutes to snap some pictures, and I wanted to see what you all thought. It is a pretty common variety, even in high grade, but I think it will look good in my 7070. Any thoughts on the grade?

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  3. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Yes, that's exactly the sort of circulated copper that would look excellent in an album. Beautiful old coin!

    I'd grade it EF-40. There are some laminations on the obverse that would hurt the EAC grade, and the reverse has a very weak strike. However, it looks to be in the EF range.
     
  4. Long Beard

    Long Beard Well-Known Member

    Very nice. This is how I prefer early copper, light/medium brown rather than dark and often barely readable.
     
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  5. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    This is “a Chapman hoard Unc.” The guides say that the Chapman brothers, who were coin dealers at the turn of the last century, had keg of these coins. This piece is typical for the variety, except for the laminations. Those probably explain why this piece is not in a certification holder.

    The grade is AU-Unc. with the laminations mentioned for accuracy.
     
  6. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Great coin, absolutely perfect for a 7070. I would also put it at a technical 40. Neither the tiny laminations nor the slightly weak reverse really bother me, but the dark spots around the laminations do a bit. I don’t think PCGS, NGC, or ANACS would net it down to 35 because of them, but they might cause me to keep looking if I were after a type example of the draped bust half cent.
     
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  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'll go with 45. Nice coin.
     
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  8. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Also 45.
     
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  9. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the feedback everyone! My instinct was that this coin would land in a 40 holder. I actually like the laminations, but I tend to enjoy these types of oddities. I’m happy to have it in my album.
     
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  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here is the 1806 C-4 that is in my collection. It is now in an NGC MS-62, Brown holder. This piece piece was once in my half cent die variety set, which i sold off many years ago. All of these coins show some weakness on the reverse. For that reason, it took me a while to find one I liked, although is a common R-1 die variety.

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    If you are grading the OP coin EF-45 because of the sharpness of the details, you are being a bit too hard on it. It could be net graded to that because of the scratches on the face, but the details are close to Mint State.
     
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  11. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Even for a 224 year old coin which gets leniency, there's too much wear for MS.
    I can see it going AU. I said XF because all things being equal that's what I thought
    it was at first glance. All things are not equal when it comes to coin grading different series and AU would not surprise me, even though I think it is an XF coin.
     
  12. Anthony Mazza

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  13. Old World Coins

    Old World Coins Well-Known Member

    beautiful coin. I have yet to get any of this design
     
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  14. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’d say technically au though the laminations drop the eac grade
     
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  15. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Great example Coinsandmedals! Although I do not own one of this variety I actually have 7 1806 "C-1's" in my collection; highest grade is a TPG 45.
     
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  16. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    Thank you! You have 7 C-1s? That is interesting, are you partial to the variety? During my true EAC days, I had a small hoard of 1853 N-19s (die state C) because I liked the look of the misaligned dies. It was not until the ANA summer seminar in 2013 that I met another collector with a similar affinity for them. When I sold off the most significant part of my second collection years ago, I kept a singular 1853 N-19 and the 1793 S-6 that my dad gave me. I stumbled upon the N-19 the other day, and it brought a smile to my face. It is not the nicest example I have owned, but it is special to me.
     
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  17. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    My C-1's are "special"- here are images of three of the straight graded examples!

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    I bring the group to EAC Conventions Coinsandmedals; I'm EAC 5050.
     
  18. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    @Jack D. Young these are indeed very special. Even more so since they are in TPG holders. At first glance, they look pretty good. I’ve actually been keeping my eye out for one of these since I read your article on them. Very impressive work!
     
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  19. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The 1806 C-1 is the second most common Draped Bust half cent. The 1804 C-13, Plain 4, Stemless is the most common half cent PERIOD IMO. It has the same reverse as the 1804 C-13.
     
  20. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    My 1806 C-1's are a little more rare; roughly 10 known to date...
     
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