Partly Cloudy 1806 Bust Half

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  1. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    I just bought this 1806 Busy Half, and was wondering about the missing cloud. I see in the PCGS Photograde, clouds are missing.

    I cannot find information on this coin, so I come to the knowledge of Coin Talk for help.

    Thank you much. 20200203_210454.jpg
     
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  3. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    I just bought this 1806 Busy Half, and was wondering about the missing cloud. I see in the PCGS Photograde, clouds are missing.

    I cannot find information on this coin, so I come to the knowledge of Coin Talk for help.

    Thank you much. View attachment 1062776
     
  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Nice looking and normal for its age and circulation. It's not just the cloud that's missing but a star and a half are missing. It's a weak error in the design and probably a grease or debris filled Die to start with. Looks like a lovely addition to any collection.
     
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  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Nice. Do you have an obverse image?
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Okay

    Without seeing the obverse, it is likely to be the O-107

    Reverse E
     
  7. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    I am real happy with this coin!

    It is the knob 6 variety.
     

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  8. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    There it is.
    There is a second thread on the same coin.
     
  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The Draped Bust, Large Eagle silver coins are frequently weak in that area. It is opposite Ms. Liberty’s bust, which is a high point in the obverse design. Since that cloud is also a high point, there frequently is nor enough metal to fill both dies. It does come struck up on a few coins, most times on Bust Dollars.
     
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  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Johnmilton got it. You also often see weakness or missing Pluribus on the ribbon on capped bust halves for the same reason. Detail loss opposite a high relief area on the other side.
     
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  11. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    Thank you much. I figured there is somebody who can help me.

    Makes sense about the high points on obverse and reverse. I love learning...
     
  12. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    Sorry, I am still learning about posting. Didn't mean to...
     
  13. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The early half dimes were the poorest struck of all the early silver coins. The dies were tiny; the design was complex and detailed; and the planchets (coin blanks) were very thin.

    This 1805 half dime shows the typical weakness on both sides. Ms. Liberty's bust line is flatly struck as well as the area above and to the right of the eagle's head. The slab grade (old green label) is VF-35. Most people would grade this coin as an EF-40 today.

    1805HalfDimeO.JPG 1805HalfDimeR.JPG

    And this 1800 half dime is a worderful exception. Early Half Dimes, like this, which are fully struck and Mint State are rare. The slab grade is MS-64. I paid a premum price for this piece.

    1800 V-1 64 O.jpg 1800 V-1 64 R.jpg
     
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  14. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    Very nice. I like the examples. The 1800 would be nice in a museum.
     
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  15. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    No, it wouldn’t because few people would get to see it. Museums can be the best and worst places. When they make an effort to educate people that’s great. Too often they lock material in vaults where almost no one sees them. That is my beef with the Smithsonian.
     
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