Numismatic Ethics

Actually this is a perfect example.... Should Pocket Change have felt guilty, and told the bank teller... "hey man there is silver in there... it's worth way more than face value... you should maybe ask the bank manager if he/ she wants to take this to a coin shop"?

Where are all the moral pillars of society on this one? Why isn't the crowd ready to throw their stones at the adulteress this time? Oh yeah, a bank teller doesn't = a little old lady therefore man receiving silver is still righteous.

Pocket Change.... you are holy, you may go in peace, you have not sinned my child. You have been graced with silver according to your good deeds. -Amen

 

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Okay, I think this thread has run its course, but one thing I cannot take is an incongruent analogy. In this case, the teller does not "own" the roll, it is in the possesion of the bank. In addition, the teller even stated that he knew the roll was "something good". It is not the same fact pattern as in the original case.

No matter where you fall on this one, it's important not to use false comparisons...use logical comparisons instead. My two cents ayway.

 

I think I need to take these back to the bank:

 

Another point made about how the "RIGHTEOUS ONES" like to add their own feelings and judgments into every situation.

Ok... the bank teller didn't own the coins, but the bank did.....??? Someone is losing and someone is winning. The guilt should be laid on someone's shoulders.

Oh no it's ok because they weren't the teller's coins... He knew something... he said "looks like you've got something good".... Therefore everything is ok... you did no wrong.

Where do you invent all these morals that apply to one situation, but not another? How do you accuse one man, and not another based on your own opinions about who knows what, and who owns what? It makes no sense. The reason people keep arguing is because you have a standard that no one can follow. Why can no one follow it... Because it is your standard you invented it, and you don't even have it clearly defined for yourself.

James 1:...
"6...For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."



IF YOU WANT TO THROW STONES AT ONE MAN... BE PREPARED TO THROW THEM AT ALL MEN...

You have the morality of a tyrant... just like I explained
4 posts ago.

 

I am glad I read this thread. The original thread that spawned this discussion had left me feeling like I was hanging out with the kind of people I normally avoid. Knowing how one would behave in a situation such as this reveals a lot about their character, and it makes me feel as though I know everyone better. It also shows me who I should never do business with.

 

I think it is okay to agree or disagree. I don't think namecalling is productive, but if it helps you feel better, then go ahead.

The title of this thread is numismatic ethics. It was spawned by an original situation in another post. As a member of the community, I gave my opinion. I don't think the original poster who took the roll is evil, has done anything illegal, is a car thief, or whatever else has been said.

Nonetheless, in my opinion, if I was the "ambiguously-aged" woman, I would have liked to have been told at least the rolls were worth something. That is all I am saying. Maybe that is tyrantical, I don't know.

To me, the standard is clear. To you, it is not clear. I am okay with that.

I am now done with this thread...thanks to all for the discussion, it will be entertaining going over this in Fall semester.

 

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=39526

another guy you guys might not want to do business with...stealing wheat cents from little old ladies (I assume one of them might be old and a lady). Man they are all over this forum.

Although if you have any sense at all, you will do business with the person who has the money to buy what you are selling...

 

what I find interesting is that this topic wasn't locked by a mod.
VERY interesting. at first I PM'd a mod and asked for it to be locked, as I saw it as a direct attack on an individual. I now see why it was never locked

 

Every argument I have made in this thread has been in defense of the "bank teller" whoever that happens to be.

I happen to believe the bank teller is someone who runs into a good deal. He never did anything wrong, only what he was asked to do, but you know their has to be a throng of righteous do-gooders out their to tell Mr. Bank Teller what an awful person he is, and how his character is transparent.

On multiple occasions I have mentioned the honorable thing to do is tell someone what they have, and that they are about to sell, trade, give away item X for way less than it's true value. Everyone knows that is the nice thing to do. No one would argue that such an action isn't nice. No one would argue that "following the golden rule" is not a good thing to do, but in situations where someone has merely done what was required of them should we all sit around and judge them because that person did not go beyond the call of duty..... No.... Should someone be lauded for being selfless in a money making opportunity..... Yes.....

All I have been saying the whole time is don't tell some one they are immoral if they didn't actually do anything wrong, and don't make up morals as you go along. If anything is transparent it is the DUALITY of some so-called "righteous collectors"

You can't make one standard for a little old lady, another for a coin dealer, and yet another for an employee and expect people to listen to you from the stage that you stand on.

Don't accuse Mr. Bank Teller as being the bad guy, unless he deliberately did something wrong in order to gain from it. Keeping your mouth shut and doing your job is not wrong. Lying, cheating, and stealing is wrong. Also following your own conscience is perfectly fine, but judging someone else against a standard you made up is little pious.

 

Okay I'm a bank teller and new at this collecting. I really don't know what things are worth but if something is different I will buy it from my drawer. Or sell it to another teller to buy. Either way I have another teller with me when I'm doing it. I can't look through each bill or coin when customers are deposting them. I will go through them after they have left when I'm not busy so I wouldn't know whose was what.

I did find several (around 15) wheaties yesterday at work going through the changer bag. Obviously when someone brings in change to run through the changer we can't go through every coin. And obviously I wont' know whose coin was whose when I go through the bag. Again I pick out what I want and replace with another teller present.

In my opinion. If you have to question whether it's right or not to not let a customer know if a coin they are bringing to deposit is worth more money then IT'S WRONG!

Does any of that make any sense? LOL

 

My post was not directed at you.

 

According to the "do-gooders", I think you have to follow the guideline above in order to please them.

If you follow that guideline without fault... please by all means pick up the nearest stone and cast at nearest bank teller who collects coins. Repeat until your holiness is fully understood by bank teller.

Otherwise please retreat to quiet garden and examine your own soul. When full holiness is achieved and you no longer get good deals on merchandise anywhere please pick up stones and throw wildly thereby making your holiness known to all.

Right after this happens you can probably expect to be taken to heaven in a burst of flames. Also your decedents will be as numerous as the stars. -Amen

 

I know...

 

Uh...Why?

The red seal two's are pretty common. The 1934 series bills don't have a particular premium in circulated condition. The star note may be of some interest to some but many see nothing special about them.

Am I missing the point of your post?

 

Yes indeed.

The point was sarcastic, oh and BTW I sold the star note on eBay and donated the proceeds to Frontier Horizon, a non profit that works in Nicaragua, it fetched $114.00.

I just think there is way too much melodramatic bashing of the person the OP is referring too. My impression is from knowing him here, that he really is a good guy and not deserving of this ethical, moral debate like he deceived some 99 year old pensioner out of her life savings etc.

 

why bother just mail them to me i will have the money deposited in your bank account

 

did you get more than one in it?

 

Just like my Nigerian relatives?

 

Oh man...these accusations and name callings and inuendo is getting way too weird....I think a chill pill is in order...