Daniel Carr is at it again!!!

Quite a few new additions!

http://www.dc-coin.com/fantasyover-struckusacoins.aspx

 

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There is a thread to post DCarr fakes and counterfeits. Any DCarr counterfeit should be posted there.

Any other thread or post relating to DCarr counterfeits will immediately turn into a brawl, and should be avoided.

The detente agreement between pro-Carr and anti-Carr factions allowed for that thread as the approved posting grounds for all Carr counterfeits. Anti-Carrs don't post there, pro-Carrs are welcome to post any counterfeits they want to that thread. I will not post any comments in the official pro-Carr counterfeit thread.

Please feel free to post any original DCarr works, as I think he is a talented engraver and respect his original works. I will refrain from mentioning his counterfeiting operation in any thread focussed on his original works.

However, posting or linking to his counterfeits outside of that thread will elicit an immediate and obligatory negative reaction. The counterfeits you have linked are dangerous, illegal, illicit, and should not be recommended or endorsed by any legitimate or self-respecting coin collector. DCarr is the exact same, in my opinion, as the Chinese counterfeiters we all detest. He might even be worse, since inexplicably some in our community laud his counterfeiting, praising him and contributing to his efforts by purchasing his counterfeits.

 

Oh my, lol. I picked up several pieces today. the 1964 peace, 2020 octagon, and plugged chain cent!

 

Starting a Daniel Carr thread on this forum is like starting a CAC thread on the PCGS forum... both of which are akin to tossing a lit flare into a powder keg.

 

I got the:
1920-D Morgan
1995 Morgan Circulated (only 4 made)
1964 Peace
1970-D Peace

Got those to go with this piece,

 

Just thought I would pass on the information about Daniel adding some items as it has been awhile since he did so. I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes.

 

You didn’t just step on any toes, you parked your F150 on their feet :-D

 

I think I know what side you're on.

 

I just enjoy these type of threads!

 

When DCarr started making counterfeits it put a big divide in the hobby. His original work was cool to most folks. His jump to counterfeits upset a lot of older collectors that were trying to fight the China counterfeits that were coming on the market.

The hobby did not need this. It just added fuel to the fire. Many that were trying to fight the problem just gave up and said the hell with it.

 

No it didn't. Some people like them, some think their opinion means more than the facts of reality and failed ANA reports of him among others. At no point did it create a "big divide in the hobby"

The hobby is so much bigger than all the forums combined and even on the forums some people are just very prolific in their opposition, most don't care one way or another. At best you could say it created a divide with some forum posters

 

I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

1. He only does fantasy dates so that they cannot be worn down and passed as genuine. It’s why he has not done a 1895 business strike Morgan. It is really hard to change the date deceptively, and you are better off using a fully-original coin.

2. His work is well documented, especially the 1964 D Peace Dollars.

3. Altered genuine coins are not counterfeits.

4. These are not meant to fool any collectors. Due to their nature, it would be extremely difficult for them to fool anyone who has at least seen a Red Book.

5. His work differs from the Chinese counterfeits in that the Chinese are making “coins” with the expressed intent to fool collectors. They take pride in their deceptiveness and quality of manufacture. Carr simply intends for his “coins” to be high quality, but not at all deceptive.

 

I wouldn't sweat it, you just riled up a self-appointed gatekeeper.

 

I had no idea the divide had gotten so flammable! He uses non-existent dates but I guess that doesn't help his case in some parts of the country. I live and I learn!

 

It's like academic politics -- the fights are so vicious because the stakes are so small.

Carr's fantasy-dated overstrikes are a big philosophical deal. They've certainly captured my attention, and taken more of my time than I would've expected. But ask around at a coin show, and you're likely to get a blank stare from many if not most of the dealers, and nearly all the customers.

 

I will not agree to disagree. I think he's a counterfeiter, engaging in an illegal operation. His counterfeits should be gathered and melted, and he should not make any more.

I will, however, agree not to post again in this thread. I hope the thread dies a quick death.

 

wow, all that animosity. You'd think he ripped people off by publishing a book with photos like this, or something...

 

I was on the fence about buying a 1964 D peace dollar overstrike, but i just decided to pull the trigger. It's bound to be a better buy than that cruddy book i bought.

 

He is within the law. His operation is legal. In the eyes of the law, overstriking the coins is the same as counterstamping them. If he was striking his coins on his own planchets, then he would be out of bounds of the law. If the design is significantly different from that of genuine coins, then it can legally be struck on his own planchets. Since it is obvious that he has no intent to defraud (clearly describing what they are), he is still operating within the law.

It is legal to alter a 1912 nickel into a 1913 one (not adding a counterfeit of US money to the pool of genuine US money). It is illegal to sell it as an authentic 1913 nickel (shows intent to defraud). It is, however, legal to sell it as an altered 1912 nickel (shows no intent to defraud).

I studied the law regarding counterfeits very closely so that building my reference collection of counterfeits would not break any laws. I get you disagree with his practice, but your opinion about legality is incorrect