Numismatic Ethics

This is just awesome. My original post that sparked this whole ethics thread mentioned a "lady" who brought in a roll of walkers. As I later elaborated it was an "older lady" after it such had just been assumed. Now...she's an "elderly lady". Boy, the poor girl sure ages fast.

She'll probably get Alzheimer's next.

 

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I actually heard rumor she was trading in those coins to get medication for her Alzheimer's.....:whistle:

 

LOL, that works for me.

Now I really feel like a jerk.

 

Perhaps I need to make a retraction of sorts.

Richie did not " cheat " the dying woman they rolled in on her death bed, he did give her the $10 dollars.

What I should say, and I have, is that I just would have done it differently by mentioning the silver value. That would change the whole scenario.

While I have had my share of unbelievable cherry picks, and posted some of them here, doing the " right " thing can be different in any situation.

Last thing I want to do is alienate a fellow cointalker or appear like I'm trying to be holier than thou.

Richie, I extend my apologies to you and Drusus.

 

Sorry to make you the victim here. I apologize because I interpreted "older" to mean "elderly." I was wrong for doing so.

I feel better...you?

 

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Oh, no worries. I didn't feel alienated at any point nor did I ever consider leaving the forum. I will admit that this topic has frustrated me at times, but it has been an interesting debate at times as well.

 

If we look at Deuteronomy 22:1-3, we find that we are required to return lost property to its owner. This is not an option; It must be done. Of course, this presupposes that we know who the owner is.

Jewish law has interpreted this further to require that, if the lost property's owner is not known, an honest effort must be made to find them through advertisements, etc. If this is impractical, impossible or unproductive, then the found property should be given to charity. Another person's loss can not be transfered to your gain just because it's convenient for you.

Many religions aren't quite so precise as to what to do but in Christianity, some combination of Commandments 7 and 8 pretty well spell out what (not) to do. [7 - don't take another's property (without just compensation); 8 - don't lie (by omission or commission)]

Practically all other tenets have similar proscriptions. Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Native American Spirituality, etc. all teach that taking that which belongs to another is wrong, whether it is stolen outright or taken by subterfuge.

I am amazed by how many ways some posters here can justify harming another by their (in)actions. And remember, a person can be harmed directly so that they know it, or indirectly by deceit when you withhold information that they apparently do not have and, with which they might have taken a different course of action.

"Your loss is my gain" and "Finders keepers, losers weepers" are simply platitudes used to salve the conscience of those whose moral values have gone awry.

 

Being a religious person myself, it doesn't bother me. But this forum has a dedicated board where such topics are appropriate because of their somewhat explosive nature. So, they probably shouldn't be discussed here.

 

in agreeance

 

WOW - the way people talked I thought you were ancient(like maybe 60), but your still young.

 

Don't think that I'm advocating religion here. I was simply taking that tack to fit in with tone of the "holier than thou" question.

Not that it matters here, but I am an avowed agnostic. As I have stated in another posting I haven't been in a church in over 20 (as I said then - actually it's closer to 40+ years) years for any reason other than weddings or funerals. I simply believe that our ways of dealing with each other are convienently spelled out in the tenets of religions which you may or may not adhere to.

Believe what you want; do what you want, but if you deal with me you'll get honesty and I would expect the same in return. If you want to continue this discussion in a different forum, let me know where and I'll meet you there.

 

I have met GD, trust me, he's OLD

 

Nothing I have done that has been stated here was dishonest...nothing. There are some people who may have twisted it to appear as such, but nothing was dishonest.

 

I think GD expressed everything I was trying to say and failed. To be honest, I cant even know what I would do in the situation but when thinking about it, not only could I not rule out the possibility I might have done the same thing, and that it might not be as terrible or as black and white as some were sure it was....or in the least it wouldn't be ripping her off as she got what she expected to get...she was not robbed. That and the fact I personally would have blamed myself for not being on the ball. My mother is an old lady and she is more savvy than most... so the age or who it was wasn't a factor. Though it obviously seemed to become one because this isn't the first time we have been told about his finds and congratulated him. I understand there are people who probably have no doubt in their mind what they would do in any situation but the previous thread and this one got to the point where he was being accused of robbing an old lady, lacking integrity, morals, ethics, going to go to hell and all other things. More condemnations than opinions on the ethics of the situation which I will admit freely is not as black and white in my mind though might be far more clear in others. If you want an opinion, someone says what they truly think, dont come back in and insult him.

I offer apologies to Jack (or anyone else) for any personal attacks. Gotta stop getting involved in these things and just read...someone, in the end, always comes by and says what I am thinking in a much more concise way anyway

 

I feel the same way. A number of times I said to myself..."just stop posting in that thread" but its hard to do sometimes.

 

Well you all are a bunch of "Marys" if you don't feel comfortable discussing such a relevant topic to our hobby. I make no bones about it, I think the lady was ripped off, the person who did it feels justified and that speaks volumes by itself. Honesty, disclosure and doing the right thing that 20-30 years ago would be a no brainer is a murcky gray area in our diminishing values society. This tells me I really need to watch my back out there.

 

You are entitled to your opinion and that's fine. But don't sit there and judge my character by one single isolated incident that not only did you not witness but that your judgment has been clouded by the opinions of others. You think she was ripped off, that's fine...but don't you dare sit there high and mighty in front of your computer and judge the blanket morals of someone you have never met.