1899 DDR Barber Quarter Follow-up

Thanks. I asked John for any details and will report them out when I get them.

 

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John got back with me and stated he had partial info on the 2nd specimen. He said he saw the suspect piece and “it is the same counterfeit, though a different specimen. It was weighed, and it came in at 6.05 grams, which is about .2 grams light. It was raw in a flip, had somewhat splotchy toning. I don't know anything about where it came from”.

“Looking at the photo of the 1899 DDR variety listed in the David Lawrence book, this piece and the other PCGS piece were both missing the large die chip present in the example listed in Dave's Complete Guide book. So if the variety in Dave's book is indeed a DDR (vs. shelf doubling), it certainly isn't this particular piece”.

John attached the Complete Guide photo of the aforementioned area, plus the same area of the PCGS counterfeit. Note: John added the two red-outline arrows to the major part of the chip between the tail feathers and the arrow feathers.

 

So what has happened to the coin in David Lawrence book?
The reference piece?

 

I understand it is the only documented genuine example.

 

I don't think there are any genuine examples. In fact, I strongly suspect the so-called die chip, was debris or glue residue that was acetoned off, and the photographed example is one of the two fakes. Just my opinion.

 

I wonder if DL would be open to a trusted and ins numismatist to study the original specimen. I believe there is a lot to learn from his coin. To start off the original specimen does not look like it has any separation lines. I am with C-B-D that the original coin is doubled due to a late die state and is only a form of DDD. I think it would be eye opening to see the coin in hand.

 

You both may well be correct; my trusted expert on these did state in regards to the 2nd counterfeit and the plated example "So if the variety in Dave's book is indeed a DDR (vs. shelf doubling), it certainly isn't this particular piece".

 

nope, never saw one

 

Hello, happened to look this one up today and came across this thread.. so this one was handed down to me and he collected varieties as well and had this listed as a ddr. Since it is worn im having trouble showing the doubling without adding too much light to blend the lines. I can clearly see it although throughout the reverse. Not a Barber quarter collector but i have held onto this one cause of the rainbow toning. Can spot the doubling in hand without magnification while turning under a lamp

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