hone your grading skills -- shield nickel

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  1. Coinfreak~24

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  3. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    MS64*. A higher grade wouldn't surprise me. For me to grade it any lower, I would be suffering from tequila hangover. :mad: :mad: :mad:

    Wonderful coin. Only nickels tone like that !

    So much points to 65+... great planchet, fabulous fields. The shield weakness at 7 o'clock holds it back just a little.

    Whazzup with the word CENTS ? Is that die polish lines ? Or something on the slab ?

    ...and it's education time. How does one tell the difference between strike weakness and worn out dies ? :confused:
     
  4. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Is there something about shield nickels that they frequently have funk in the lettering ?

    Now that you mention it, I recall shopping for proof Shields a while back and many had lettering a lot like this. We puzzled for a while... strike doubling ? :confused: the mystical Longacre doubling ? :confused: We never figured it out.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    When the US Mint first started issuing nickels they a hard time with them because the metal was so hard. Often the dies just shattered and the coins were plagued with die cracks, chips, excessive polishing etc. So finding one without any of this is unusual.

    Now the TPG's will grade coins regardless of things like die cracks and chips. And that's fine, but the old school tells us that things like that detract from a coin and they should no tbe graded any higher than MS64. Gem quality and higher, MS65 and up, is supposes to be reserved for coins that are well centered without planchet flaws, die cracks and chips. A Gem is just that, a Gem, and none of those things should be present.

    Worn dies are another matter. You can tell the amount of wear on a die in several ways. If the coin shows a lot of die polish marks that can indicate it because the dies aren't polished until they wear. The lettering on worn dies will often spread out and not be as crsip and clean as those on coins struck with newer dies. Sometimes the serifs in the letters will merge together or be missing. And sometimes the letters just change shape due to small chips around their edges. Details on coins struck with worn dies will be lacking, looking much like a weak strike. But if the other things are there then it is obvious that it was worn dies, not a weak strike.

    Hopefully than answers some of your questions.
     
  6. Shortgapbob

    Shortgapbob Emerging Numismatist

    I like it as a 65 coin. NGC tends to lke original looking pieces like this and could have graded it 66 though.
     
  7. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Here's a quick tip a wise man once told me to be able to tell the difference between a worn die and a weak strike... On a worn die, the worn areas will have luster. On a weak strike, the area that is weak will lack luster (or the luster will have a different look). This is particularly so with nickel being so hard, but also true with other metals. Keep that in mind when evaluating a coin.

    If you use that tip and look closely at the pictures, you can do a pretty good job of telling the difference on the obverse (because it shows both areas of weak strike and areas of a worn die).

    All IMHO.
     
  8. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    What I was referring to is the letters that are often broken on the reverse, not in the motto on the obverse. This was especially common in 1868. I do not know of any varieties where the letters of the motto are broken.
     
  9. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    i am filling in for him with my 58.
     
  10. 09S-V.D.B

    09S-V.D.B Coin Hoarder

  11. Harryj

    Harryj Supporter**

    MS 63-64 leaning toward 64. Nice toning, a sweet coin.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    That's not opinion at all Mike - that's fact ;)
     
  13. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    NGC graded the coin MS 65.

    Here are my subjective opinions on the coin:

    I loved this coin the second I saw it, and short of the weak obverse strike and a few miniscule carbon specs, I can't really understand why the coin didn't grade higher. Take a look at the large photos and see if you can find any contact marks. I see a few tiny ones on the reverse fields, and a few hidden on the obverse -- none of which are visible to my naked eye.

    For some odd reason, it is hard to find shield nickels attractively toned. When you do, they are generally proof coins, so finding a business strike with attractive toning is a real challenge.

    Thanks to everyone for their comments & guesses. I appreciate it.

    Have fun....Mike
     
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