GTG: 1909-S VDB

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by NewbietoCoins, Jan 7, 2020.

  1. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    Similar to my other thread, I would like to see what everyone thought this graded at and why you think such. Some may have already seen it but I'm sure most have not. Screenshot_20200107-081627_eBay.jpg
     
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  3. Noah Finney

    Noah Finney Well-Known Member

    Not looking at the code....... Im going to say AU-58.
     
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  4. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    Here are a few extra photos from the seller. Screenshot_20200107-081638_eBay.jpg Screenshot_20200107-081643_eBay.jpg
     
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  5. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    @NewbietoCoins Did you mean to post the full slab with the grade? BTW, that's pretty close to what I would have guessed.
     
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  6. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    Crap no. Lol I must have accidentally selected it with the others.
     
  7. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    I fixed it! Lol
     
  8. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Nope... the full slab pic is still actually attached as a thumbnail. :p
     
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  9. robec

    robec Junior Member

    My guess was one grade higher than the actual assigned grade.
     
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  10. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    Wowsers! Lol I think I fixed it now! Haha
     
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  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'll go with it being worth MS-63 money.
     
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  12. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    What would you think I bought it for? Without looking. Hahaha
     
  13. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    Mid-AU here
     
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  14. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    MS62 BN
     
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  15. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Apparently I missed the accidental slab shot, so I'm coming to this fresh:

    Strike: For a first year issue, this coin seems to be missing details. I'm going to say this is from a later die state rather than a true weak strike, but the overall "softness" is going to hurt the grade.

    Luster: I really don't see any luster, in either set of pics. This is *really* going to hurt the grade.

    Eye Appeal: It appears to have attractive, original patina. The coin is BN, but in a nice way.

    Contact Marks/Wear: My first reaction to this coin was AU, mostly due to the lackluster appearance. However, I really don't see any flattening of the high points. I don't actually think there is wear. I don't see major contact marks, but I do see quite a few smaller marks. There's some weird marks across CENT.

    All this is driving me to... 62BN? I could see this being a point off plus or minus, but I think 62 feels like the right grade.
     
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  16. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    The thing I'm struck with for the 09-S VDB.... It is a famous key date. It is wildly popular. But it is also incredibly available. There are 10,000 of them graded at NGC alone. I'm also struck by how incredibly flat the values are. It is an expensive coin in any grade, but from VF at $1000 to MS-64 at $2000 is less than $1000 price difference. Buying an EF or AU seems silly if you can have a 62/63 for just a tiny bit more.

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  17. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    I appreciate everyone's input! This coin was graded by PCGS as MS62BN.

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  18. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    I cannot disagree with the availability in comparison to other coins. I am very pleased with a 1909-S VDB that is PCGS MS62 BN. That said, I am probably more excited about my 1914-D that is PCGS XF45 just due to the fact it is a rarity at all grades. Not to say am I not ecstatic about this 1909-S VDB though!
     
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  19. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I was at 62 myself before the reveal
     
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  20. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Yes, the 1914D has a lower surviving population (roughly 6,000 graded by NGC). It had a higher initial mintage, but because of the widespread publicity of the 1909 as the first year of issue, more of them were saved. They are more available in higher grades as a result. The 1914D wasn't recognized as a key date until many years later.

    The other key, 1931S, has even fewer graded than the 1914D. However, by this time, speculators were starting to get savvy to the mint's production and collector response. Few 1931S were released for circulation, but when dealers were able to get ahold of bags or rolls of 31S cents, they preserved them in high grades. Circulated 31S cents are scarce compared to UNC examples, which is unusual.
     
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  21. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    Exactly. My 1931-S is a MS64BN and it was under $200. I have seen MS65BN for for not much over $200.
     
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