Bad 1903 $20 Gold “Piece”

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Jack D. Young, Jan 3, 2020.

  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Just listed on the internet:

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    Cert has no image but records a previous sale.

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    This example obviously doesn’t match a genuine one (image courtesy PCGS)

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    I sent a note to my contact at PCGS as well as to the seller; seller did end the auction but stated he bought it from a reputable dealer 2-years ago.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1903-Gold-...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

    I did find the Mar ’18 sale- same coin; it is unfortunate that something like this sells at all let alone ends up in the auction history of the genuine one…

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  3. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    The 3 is not even close. Dead give-away at first glance.
     
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  4. NewbietoCoins

    NewbietoCoins Well-Known Member

    Wow that is a bad fake too. So many flaws and noticeable differences.
     
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  5. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Same with the “serif” at the 1. But how can you check if there are no cert images?
     
  6. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    There are images of other 1903 TDG pieces.
     
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  7. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    That reverse... someone throw that eagle a life preserver!

    A bad day: finally getting the typeface and sticker to look somewhat convincing, then discovering your paper lets the adhesive bleed through. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    Prolly rice paper....
     
  9. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    The obverse is so incredibly clean and unmarked.
    Almost impossible even with MS gold. And the portrait looks wrong.
    The hair, the stars, etc. The date is horrendous. The 903 can't be real.
     
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  10. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Wow. Some of the fakes you post are incredibly convincing - this is not one of them.
     
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  11. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Agreed, but this one is interesting to me in that it previously sold and is impacting the genuine on-line cert data.
     
  12. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Sure, and as others have mentioned it’s a bad fake too. But if the cert number checks out and there is a previous auction record, new collectors may be deceived.
     
  13. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Exactly!
     
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  14. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    That angle did not cross my mind.. Good point..
     
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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    This is an obvious fake, but still good enough to fool the beginner collector
     
  16. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Ugh bad fake bad fake slab. I wonder if it’s real gold. I doubt it
     
  17. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I have only bought 3 gold coins, and they were from a dealer with a great reputation. On was a 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle graded PCGS MS 68, an 1895 $10 Gold Eagle, graded MS 61 which I bought Raw and was told up front that it would only grade MS 61 and he was right, and the last one was a 1904 Double Eagle which he also told me MS 61, but it came back UNC DETAILS, OBV Scratched. He gave me back the cost to slab it and another $200 because he is a great dealer. He said he would pay back all the cost of the coin, but I decided to keep it. All my other coins came from the Mint, but I went crazy with the Apollo 11 coins and bought all the silver and gold and even a couple from Australia and Canada. I don't like to buy from Europe. Don't like dealing with them.
     
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  18. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    That's one downright ugly fake.

    Anyone who could be fooled by this coin could be just as easily fooled by fakes of Maples, Krands, AGE, etc, and had better get educated before they get hurt.
     
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  19. JBOCON

    JBOCON Well-Known Member

    This is happening more and more. I just purchased a roll of circulated Morgans. One was a fake, and was just a common date coin.
     
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